Why are teenagers so violent?

[cassos]

Originally Posted by Hacky

I honestly don't think teenagers are any more violent than they ever have been, and there's no way to really prove it one way or the other, but because of a hyperaccelerated news media we find ourselves pummeled with every story of a 15 year old who got a gun and shot somebody becuase they ______ him off. Can you compare percentages of teenage violence to adult violence? How much more likely is somebody at age 14 to kill somebody than somebody at age 30? Now, if you go back 50+ years you won't even be able to find these sorts of numbers. And it'll only get worse as technology continues to advance and we continue to witness more global news, becuase eventually every small incident will be on national or global television, and yet there's still millions of teenagers everywhere who haven't killed anybody or become violent.

When it gets down to the numbers, can you honestly say that it's more likely these days, or is it just more public? When every news station for every small town has its own website, it's not hard for a local shooting to become national television.

The point about medias is very relevant. Particularely because it's valid since at least a decade in self-called "civilized" countries.
Though i'm very sad (i'm crying desperately) that nobody thinks its TEH BEST TROLL OF THE WORLD EVER to say violence is due to the Hip's combat for peace.

I really feel *totally* owned by Suall, serously.

[Kale]

Seriously you guys, ____ off, all of you.

You're talking about this like it's some kind of epidemic. Hasn't every generation had a problem similar to this? Parents always bitch and complain about their children being out of control, while kids say their parents are too strict and other bull____. Then they grow into adults, have kids, and ____ goes the same way. What's especially great is when they use the line "When I was a kid, things were different." This ____ is all ____ing relative. When you look at the numbers, you have to look at things in perspective. Population increases are naturally going to make the numbers rise, I'd rather see numbers in a per-capita format. Secondly, think about today's society as compared to 50-60 years ago. I'm sure that there was a lot more going on than was reported, or discovered, given the times. With today's almost instant exchange of information things have much more of an impact because we're exposed to it so readily, and from so many places at once; from the next town over, to the other side of the country in the same amount of time.

As for the causes of violence among children and teenagers, it's complete bull____ to try and point out one thing or another as a deciding factor. Everyone is different, and experiences a huge range of different things in their young life. Something that may be a life-altering experience to one child, may make no impact at all upon another. Therefor, trying to say that violence in media is the cause of a child's violent actions is ridiculous. In most cases they were merely a trigger for something that was already there, previously built upon by many other influences. A person is a sum of their parts, not some robot that follows blindly one thing he is shown. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think children should be exposed to such things readily or easily. While they may not be the whole, I don't deny that they can be a factor, which is where parental awareness needs to come into play.

If you can't spend enough time with your child to know what shows they're watching, or games they're playing, you need to seriously rethink your priorities. How far have we come that a parent can't take the ____ing time to sit down with their children and discuss such matters with them? Kids aren't stupid, you can explain things to them simply and rationally and get through to them. They may choose to ignore it, but the fact that a parent is willing to simply ignore such matters is atrocious. Though, it's hardly a new thing, I suppose. It just seems more prevalent now than before, but then I guess I could use my own earlier words against myself. However I do genuinely feel that we've strayed a little too far from some basic core family values. Change is a natural part of human nature, but there's also something to be said about reigning in such change when it leads astray.

I suppose I'm straying from the topic at hand a bit, let me redirect myself here.

What the ____ is going on with all these ____ing morons? Chill out. Things aren't as bad as they're being made out to seem. I definitely feel there's some work to be done to get things a back on track a bit, but overall I feel that things are certainly being blown up a bit too much beyond the actual problem at hand. Keep an eye on your kids. Don't be a complete little ____ to your parent(s). I feel the problem is a lot easier fix than people would make it out to be, it just takes some work.

[over9000]

I would have to agree with Kale for the most part, that is to say that the problem is blown out of proportion. We live in an age in an age of mass media in which because stories sell, when none are present they will be created or embellished. I for one am a teenager and do not see a violence problem what so ever. Without trying to seem like Kale's mouthpiece I'd like to reiterate his or her point that it is merely what is being noticed by the authority's that is increasing and not the sheer volume of youth violence. In a conversation with my father he recalled that he did many of the same things that I do today, with the exception that getting caught was far less of a concern and that when he did get caught it was more likely that he would be warned as apposed to being charged.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to elaborate or extrapolate any further as i have to leave, I hope this was long enough to be considered "Serious Discussion".

PS: Kale i will not GTFO.

[ryudo]

The media is definitely the biggest problem with it seeming like it is getting worse. I hear in some countries they talk about good things more than bad things, but american media loves bad things because it gets ratings. I hate it.

[cassos]

Seriously you guys, ____ off, all of you.

Hi!

You're talking about this like it's some kind of epidemic. Hasn't every generation had a problem similar to this? Parents always bitch and complain about their children being out of control, while kids
say their parents are too strict and other bull____.

Although i ignore how families are raised in your culture, but it's definitively different in mine. Here all generations go at the bars and get drunk together for example if it's their interrest.

Then they grow into adults, have kids, and ____ goes the same way.

I don't you what kind of Humans populate your location. In my location, Humans are doted of "free-arbiter": i don't know the translation so i'll elaborate: it's a relatively recent European (French) Humanist concept (5 centuries old, see "Pic de la Mirandole"). The concept is that each Human is doted of his own liberty to judge, and can evolve.

What's especially great is when they use the line "When I was a kid, things were different." This ____ is all ____ing relative.

Sorry, i'm newb. Didn't you just say that "it ???? goes the same way"? Or maybe the parents do not realise it's "**** goes the same way" in your place?

When you look at the numbers, you have to look at things in perspective. Population increases are naturally going to make the numbers rise, I'd rather see numbers in a per-capita format.

Of course, it's better to look at "ratios", which can be arbitrarely modified by the current government.

As for the causes of violence among children and teenagers, it's complete bull____ to try and point out one thing or another as a deciding factor. Everyone is different, and experiences a huge range of
different things in their young life. Something that may be a life-altering experience to one child, may make no impact at all upon another.

Trying to say that violence in media is the cause of a child's violent actions is ridiculous. In most cases they were merely a trigger for something that was already there, previously built upon by many other influences. A person is a sum of their parts, not some robot that follows blindly one thing he is shown. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think children should be exposed to such things readily or easily.

You didn't understand, our recent point about media is exactly:

Secondly, think about today's society as compared to 50-60 years ago. I'm sure that there was a lot more going on than was reported, or discovered, given the times. With today's almost instant exchange of information things have much more of an impact because we're exposed to it so readily, and from so many places at once; from the next town over, to the other side of the country in the same amount of time.

While they may not be the whole, I don't deny that they can be a factor, which is where parental awareness needs to come into play.

Yes, for example, in French suburbs, some young poeples (from 12 to 30) happen do do riots and kick asses of cops just to appear in the medias, but that's another point which you more or less agilely introduced.

If you can't spend enough time with your child to know what shows they're watching, or games they're playing, you need to seriously rethink your priorities. How far have we come that a parent can't
take the ____ing time to sit down with their children and discuss such matters with them? Kids aren't stupid, you can explain things to them simply and rationally and get through to them. They may choose to ignore it, but the fact that a parent is willing to simply ignore such matters is atrocious. Though, it's hardly a new thing, I suppose. It just seems more prevalent now than before, but then I guess I could use my own earlier words against myself. However I do genuinely feel that we've strayed a little too far from some basic core family values. Change is a natural part of human nature,

That's exactly the point about "communication" i was talking about! At least someone explicitely agrees.

What the ____ is going on with all these ____ing morons?

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Chill out.

Interresting indea.

Things aren't as bad as they're being made out to seem

This statement is very dependent on the location and culture.
You're obviously not talking about soldier-childs that are fed with heroin and given an AK-47 at 6.

the problem is a lot easier fix than people would make it out to be, it just takes some work.

Inter-generation communication is the key right?

[Kale]

Originally Posted by cassos

Hi!

Howdy! I'm Kale, let's play some naked twister.

Although i ignore how families are raised in your culture, but it's definitively different in mine. Here all generations go at the bars and get drunk together for example if it's their interrest.

No wonder there aren't any problems, everyone's too drunk to know what's going on.

I don't you what kind of Humans populate your location. In my location, Humans are doted of "free-arbiter": i don't know the translation so i'll elaborate: it's a relatively recent European (French) Humanist concept (5 centuries old, see "Pic de la Mirandole"). The concept is that each Human is doted of his own liberty to judge, and can evolve.

that's the problem, exactly. Every generation pushes the bounds to a degree and then sets its own limits. The problem then comes when the next generation arises and pushes these new limits. This evolution is exactly the thing that causes the frictions between the youth and their elders. It's a perfectly natural thing. This is exactly the point I was making.

Sorry, i'm newb. Didn't you just say that "it ???? goes the same way"? Or maybe the parents do not realise it's "**** goes the same way" in your place?

I don't quite understand what you're getting at here, but my point was the older generation trying to say that things were different when they were younger and that, while the actions themselves may have been different, the motivations (change, freedoms, acceptance) were the same.

Of course, it's better to look at "ratios", which can be arbitrarely modified by the current government.

Don't know what to say. Can't quite disagree though.

Yes, for example, in French suburbs, some young poeples (from 12 to 30) happen do do riots and kick asses of cops just to appear in the medias, but that's another point which you more or less agilely introduced.

People go to extremes to gain attention, especially youths, the media is just a device that happens to be perfect towards this end. This is simply a new twist on something that's not new at all.

That's exactly the point about "communication" i was talking about! At least someone explicitely agrees.

High-Five! How about that game of twister now?

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My thoughts.
Exactly.

This statement is very dependent on the location and culture.
You're obviously not talking about soldier-childs that are fed with heroin and given an AK-47 at 6.

Of course, as an American who grew up here, my views are firmly centered upon my local culture. However if you strip it down I think the general ideas are applicable to most non-extreme cultures. What you mentioned is something that falls into a whole other category altogether.

Inter-generation communication is the key right?

____ yeah.