Immortality in Taoism

[Ram!rez]

I have been reading about this ancient Chinese religion and i found it very interesting on how one Taoism group,Alchemy(sp?) Taoism, believes its possible to make a pill that makes anyone immortal and its possible to become immortal through doing Internal Alchemy,which is like excercise for the organs.

Do you think its possible to become immortal?


P.S. The belief in the Pill of Immortality may not be believed in strongly by Taoists due to the fact that many people died of poisoning in trying to take an"Immortal Pill" and they never found the right ingredients for the pill

[Ym3x]

It is possible to disable the aging gene.

But that does not make you immortal so no.

[temporary]

NO!
Nothing lasts forever.

[EmeraldFalcon89]

Nope, completely impossible. After a while, something will get you. It also doesn't help that everything is glowing with radiation in some way or another. It isn't lethal of course, but it's enough to deteriorate you after a while.

[Inactive Cargo]

Alchemy -> Alchemist -> Chemist.

Alchemy was largly focused on converting mud to gold, then people because more obsessive and did more crazy shit with chemicals.

[Napalm]

Ramirez you sound like you've just seen that FullMetal Alchemist cartoon.

[Ram!rez]

The book said they only believed it for about 300 years. Now they believe in just living longer and making the body healthy.

[baklava]

Impossible. You can't just make cells reproduce forever. You could live, I suppose, a very long time ( I believe the oldest human being is 127, and she can still walk and read), but we can't just "live forever."

[Ym3x]

Impossible. You can't just make cells reproduce forever. You could live, I suppose, a very long time ( I believe the oldest human being is 127, and she can still walk and read), but we can't just "live forever."

Hmmm? Unless I read what you typed wrong I highly disagree.

The science channel proved it is possible to disable the ageing gene. If you don't encounter any illiness you can live forever (Which is 0%). They were doing this to keep the human race alive is an unavoidible comet was heading to earth.

[Ram!rez]

How long did Adam and Eve live up to? I heard they lived up to around 900

[EmeraldFalcon89]

Methuselah is the oldest human at 967 years old, if you believe in the Bible.

My personal belief is that Pangea existed, Noah's flood was a crack in the middle of Pangea, unleashing a gigantic underground watershed, launching water at high pressure miles into the atmosphere, weakening the atmosphere and causing our bodies to decay while still alive. The water eventually settled back into watersheds and oceans, Noah's Ark landed, and the animals ran out. When the water settled back, the continents were set, and Pangea was no more.

[PieMaster]

Methuselah is the oldest human at 967 years old, if you believe in the Bible.

My personal belief is that Pangea existed, Noah's flood was a crack in the middle of Pangea, unleashing a gigantic underground watershed, launching water at high pressure miles into the atmosphere, weakening the atmosphere and causing our bodies to decay while still alive. The water eventually settled back into watersheds and oceans, Noah's Ark landed, and the animals ran out. When the water settled back, the continents were set, and Pangea was no more.

Woah. We're getting sidetracked.

Besides, I think that everything in the Bible was created in the same way tall tales and stories from indigenous religions were though up of. One person sees something weird/amazing/horrible and tell someone else/some other people (exaggerates.) Then they go and tell more peopl (exaggerating more.) It's really very simple, before the days of written history, someone else's word was all you could rely on for information about events and life in general.

[EmeraldFalcon89]

Yet the actual archeological facts printed in the Bible have been proved correct repeatedly as recently as the 20th century, and has several scientific facts, and clearly implied facts that are hundreds and hundreds of years before its time. I'm not an athiest though, so I have no reason to doubt the Bible inherently.

[PieMaster]

Yet the actual archeological facts printed in the Bible have been proved correct repeatedly as recently as the 20th century, and has several scientific facts, and clearly implied facts that are hundreds and hundreds of years before its time. I'm not an athiest though, so I have no reason to doubt the Bible inherently.
Atheist or not, the true thinkers of this world doubt anything inherently.

[NichtTschad]

Atheist or not, the true thinkers of this world doubt anything inherently.
Would they doubt that that statement was true?
But yeah, it is impossible. Like I'm just gonna repeat what you guys already said by saying that something would eventually get you.

[1koni1]

Alchemy -> Alchemist -> Chemist.

Alchemy was largly focused on converting mud to gold, then people because more obsessive and did more crazy shit with chemicals.
Actually, the Al in Alchemist just means "the". And mostly chemists did not bother with mud. they, in fact spent a fortune on boiled urine. they thought this because of the gold color.

[The muffin man]

Okay, people die because of mitochondrial decay. This is the small organelle that converts O2 and food into ATP. Many of today's more 'roguish' scientists believe that by making your body an alkaline system, the expressivity of the gene that destroys mitochondria would be greatly lessened. They also claim that terminal illnesses such as cancer and HIV, including the common illnesses that have been around for centuries will be defeated. So, it is possible to increase the life span of humans to an astronomical legnth of time, but nothing is forever, not even particles.

[HolyOrangeGlory]

Welp, I say, if the diseases don't kill you, someone else will. Let me make a refrence to the Night Elves of Warcraft 3. They're basically immortal. But like all other creatures, they experience conflict, which leads to violence and death. So in the end, it is inevitable. Expasion of the lifespan is all one can ever hope for.

[HolyOrangeDoom]

I agree that no one is going to be immortal - particularly if the Universe is going to end in a Big Crunch, although a Big Freeze would probably do about the same thing - but seriously, Night Elves+Scientific Debate=WTF?

[The muffin man]

So, in the end, it seems we're all screwed at one point or another.

[Energyswordsman]

everything that has a beginning, has an end!
so nothing is immortal, everything dies/finishes.

[Ram!rez]

Well they say in the book that being Immortal is just being immune to poison and other diseases and just living much longer

[Coolguy]

we become immortal when we die

[Ram!rez]

Well know one has proven to be immortal but their are people that are trying to find ways to become immortal and i doubt they will find it soon

[_justin_]

hmm well the way i see it you will basicly have to remove a chromosome from you right and as far as i kno you cant do that to a adult and if they could it would probably still cost millions of dollars

[pherra]

wow, this is crazy, beacuse we just talked about this today in AP Bio and yea i just stumbled across this today..anyways, i wasn't really listening, but our teacher said you can do something, which can increase your living age. Instead of people living to around 100, they can live to be 600. And no, you won't be like 100 years old and like really old, you'll age much slower. So, when you're around 80, it will be like your in your 30's. Scientists are trying to find ways to do this, and I think they're trying it on mice, or something.

[_justin_]

hmm thats a bit more realistic

but ever notice how it always comes down to the mice always the mice get the bad job of being the suckers lol

[Sofa of Death]

those damn mice are pretty lucky.... you know, the ones that don't have their organs melt

[_justin_]

lol actually that would be pretty cool to be the mouse that the chemmical works on and would get to live for 3 times as long

[The muffin man]

hmm well the way i see it you will basicly have to remove a chromosome from you right and as far as i kno you cant do that to a adult and if they could it would probably still cost millions of dollars

Well, nondisjuction, or any kind of chromosome adsence in NOT a good thing. Ever. Period. Excamation point! What we need to do is make our bloodstream run alkaline. The gene for mitochodrial decay (basically the death from old age gene) does not function well under alkaline conditions, although to see extreme results, we would need to isolate this gene and remove it, something that is not yet known how to do in humans. And as for aging, it was recently discovered that after the age of 90 or so, the human body stops aging all together, and those who have made it to where the cells inter an exterior state (beyond g0) become immortal, in a sense, except that they are still vulnerable to diseases.