DIRTY WORM CHILDREN!!!

[Ruger]

Very seldom do I let the actions of immature highschoolers bother me but this week some of them went too far.

Apparently a group of highschoolers from my city enticed a Rottweiler mix dog away from it's home and into the surrounding woods, they then proceeded to cover the dog in paint thinner and set it on fire, the dog obviously freaked out and started running through the woods, starting a small forest fire. When police arrived on the scene the dog was still alive and needed to be put out of it's misery.

Had they not shown up the dog would have ended up burning to death (which I can only assume is one of the worst ways to die) but what for? Just so a few "dirty worm children" can get some giggles? I am thoroughly pissed at these kids actions and will personally beat their ass if I find out that it's someone I know.

You hear about this type of story from time to time on the news, but you never let it bother you until it hits close to home.

...what is this world coming to?

Rest in peace Doggy. :(

[Evonus]

Well, I definitely don't see this as anything good, and those kids are pretty sick, but I can assure you something worse happens every ten seconds just in this country, so this story doesn't perturb me very much.

[Hacky]

I'd rather see a person burned alive than any animal brought harm.

Abuse of animals in childhood is one of the major signs of sociopathy. A few weeks back some kids in a small town near here killed a duck by shoving pencils into it and cutting it in half. The kid's responce was "I don't see the big deal"

I feel for the family who lost their dog. If somebody pulled shit like that on one of my dogs I would kill them.

[Neg]

That's just awful...

[the.doctor]

From lurking the internet I've seen a lot of really fucked up things - to a degree I have been desensitized. Watching a man get beheaded, or seeing people jump from a burning building - are not things one can erase from their memory.

But whenever I see an animal getting tortured something happens, my stomach gets twisted and I just feel really unwell. What kind of sick fuck can take the life of something as innocent as a pet?

What's the world coming to?

[Hacky]

From lurking the internet I've seen a lot of really fucked up things - to a degree I have been desensitized. Watching a man get beheaded, or seeing people jump from a burning building - are not things one can erase from their memory.

But whenever I see an animal getting tortured something happens, my stomach gets twisted and I just feel really unwell. What kind of sick fuck can take the life of something as innocent as a pet?

What's the world coming to?

I agree with all of that, unfortunately the world is "comming" to nothing, and this is something that has been around for a long time. Contrary to popular belief, the world is not in a state of moral decline, it is just that the immoralities of some are more public due to the media.

[the.doctor]

So what you're saying is... the world came?

[Hacky]

I came.





Ahem, that was merely a typo, which I attempted to edit out after I posted it by my internet died suddenly, and I eventually went to sleep.

[ninjachris]

they shoulda shot the kids

[Inactive Cargo]

I use a lot of words in the English language, but here's one I break out in special situations:

Cunts.

[TheSwedishSnipa]

From lurking the internet I've seen a lot of really fucked up things - to a degree I have been desensitized.

This goes for me aswell, although I beleive these kids are seriously fucked up. That's just out of proportion, and GAH.
I'm embarassed to live in a world with this type of people.

[Evonus]

I'd rather see a person burned alive than any animal brought harm.

I had to burst out laughing when I read this.

[Destagow]

I feel for the family who lost their dog. If somebody pulled shit like that on one of my dogs I would kill them.
Seriously?

Some hunter (hick) in our area came to our house and informed me that he was going to shoot a "ci-ote," I said "Mmm. ok?" I hear a shot, later I see that my dog is dead outside far in a field. I would never kill him. We reported it to the poice, he was charged with animal harm (somthing similar) and we got a check for 700usd.

[Rab]

Christ it's a dog! Yeah it's sick, but it's pathetic to get so worked up over something this trivial.

[Hacky]

Dogs are better than most people. To you it's a dog, but my dogs are family.

[Rab]

Dogs are better than most people.

That's a pretty huge generalisation. Yes your dog may have been the only thing there for you when your mum left, but my dog was the one that mauled and killed my little sister! <--entirely hypothetical.

[Hacky]

Yeah, the thing is the dogs that maul are only what their owners make them. It is not complicated to raise a dog that does not bite.

[Destagow]

Yeah, the thing is the dogs that maul are only what their owners make them. It is not complicated to raise a dog that does not bite.

So your saying 100&#37; of every single dog attack could have been prevented?

A young person around my neighborhood got attacked by a pitbull. I know the owners of the animal, they did not train it or treat it badly.

I find it hard to believe you can train evolutionary tendencies out of all animals.

[Inactive Cargo]

I find it hard to believe you can train evolutionary tendencies out of all animals.Hardly evolutionary, the Earth is like 10,000 years old!

[Hacky]

Evolutionary tendencies have already been trained out of dogs.

Think about German Shepherds. What is one common place you see them? They are a common "junk yard dog".

Where's another place? The police force.

Same breed of dog. Extremely different actions and personality.



People buy Pitbulls for a reason, because of what they are. They're a bulldog that was bred to be able to resist pain in a fight. But they can be very loving creatures just like any other. You, like the media, have probably left out a few details that are prominent in every Pitbull attack story:
The children provoke the dog. They don't expect a Pitbull to be able to get through the fence, and they feel that their poking at it is harmless fun. Also, the children ran. They always run. This is a very bad decision.

If you try to disagree with this point, were you there? Did you see the kid before he got attacked?


Dogs are what their owners make them, but no dog likes to be poked at by a stranger who is tresspassing on their property. My dogs are some of the most loving animals I've seen, and yet I've also seen them corner my brother's friend because he was wandering around the house, he was a stranger, and he was scared of them. If a person is a afraid of a dog, the dog can sense that, and the dog feels that that person is doing something they shouldn't be.

[Rab]

Evolutionary tendencies have already been trained out of dogs.

Yes your domesticated dogs, they have not been trained out of all dogs. You can't go around saying that you would rather see a person be burnt alive than a dog because you have a narrow and biased view.

[Destagow]

Your saying with 100&#37; certainty that no dog has attacked out of his own doing?

[Hacky]

An unaggrivated dog? Not unless they were seeking food. They are not murderers, just like bears, they attack out of defense. Humans are the only animals that kill for the pure joy of it.

[Evonus]

Dogs are better than most people.

Show me a dog that can build a house, derive the laws of motion, or carry on an hour long conversation and I'll believe it.

[Destagow]

Dogs are better than most people.

Define better.

Assuming that species are better that others is just asinine.



Or will you say blacks are inferior because they evol -- mark of cain! evi!!

[Evonus]

Define better.

Assuming that species are better that others is just asinine.



Or will you say blacks are inferior because they evol -- mark of cain! evi!!

Species and races are quite different. Black people and white people are different races of the same species. Dogs and humans are different species.

[Hacky]

By better, I meant morally.

I should have defined that.

[The Badger's Sister]

An unaggrivated dog? Not unless they were seeking food. They are not murderers, just like bears, they attack out of defense. Humans are the only animals that kill for the pure joy of it.

I'd like to call FUCKING BULLSHIT on this one.
My original comment was going to be something along the lines of... As big of a hippie and animal lover that I can be, I fucking hate rottweilers. Damn the kids for being anal fucktards, but that's one less rottweiler I have to worry about.

Now I'd like to tell a story:
When I was a 1st grader visiting my grandmother, I was walking her dog (a male pomeranian) in her backyard. Two of her neighbors were standing outside, one of which owned four dogs: three medium to small ones and a rottweiler.
Anyway, the dogs were annoying me running around, so I was taking my grandmothers dog back inside. As I was walking, I felt a sudden jolt on his leash, turned around, and saw the pomeranian being held by the neck in the rottweiler's mouth. I screamed, and the two neighbors, my grandmother, and the three people who lived upstairs all came rushing outside.
You can't say that the rottweiler was aggrivated in anyway because my grandmother's dog was playing with me nowhere near the other. And you can't say he was doing anything in his defense because nothing gd attacked him. And it's not like he was trained to kill smaller animals because it lived with three others, one of whom was a chihuahua smaller than the pomeranian.
It killed because that's what animals do.
Anyway, in the end, the man who lived next door had to take a log and hit the rottweiler THREE times on the head to make it drop my grandmother's dog. He wasn't dead, but his neck was broken and bleeding. He was wrapped in a towel and driven to the animal hospital, where he was put to sleep.
As for the rottweiler, he wasn't put down. He was sent to live in the country with more open space, where he also attacked a seven year old girl before being put down, as well.

In conclusion, you're full of shit.

EDIT: And also, you're telling me you've never heard of a bear attack? FFS. Google time.

I've also watched the animal planet enough to know this isn't true. The only example I can think of right now is a bicyclist who was riding a path and attacked by a cougar (mountain lion). She was only found because her friend riding in front of her became nervous and called for help to search for her. And when she was found, not far off, there were two more bikes found, leading one to assume two other cyclists had been attacked as well.

[Ruger]

Evolutionary tendencies have already been trained out of dogs.

Think about German Shepherds. What is one common place you see them? They are a common "junk yard dog".

Where's another place? The police force.

Same breed of dog. Extremely different actions and personality.



People buy Pitbulls for a reason, because of what they are. They're a bulldog that was bred to be able to resist pain in a fight. But they can be very loving creatures just like any other. You, like the media, have probably left out a few details that are prominent in every Pitbull attack story:
The children provoke the dog. They don't expect a Pitbull to be able to get through the fence, and they feel that their poking at it is harmless fun. Also, the children ran. They always run. This is a very bad decision.

If you try to disagree with this point, were you there? Did you see the kid before he got attacked?


Dogs are what their owners make them, but no dog likes to be poked at by a stranger who is tresspassing on their property. My dogs are some of the most loving animals I've seen, and yet I've also seen them corner my brother's friend because he was wandering around the house, he was a stranger, and he was scared of them. If a person is a afraid of a dog, the dog can sense that, and the dog feels that that person is doing something they shouldn't be.


/agrees

My mom works for a vet, every dog she has seen that has bitten someone was either provoked or abused. The numbers don't lie, son.

[Hacky]

TBS see: Ruger's post.

No dog attacks unprovoked, unabused, or not seeking food. That dog was probably abused that you talk about.

Those bears you're talking about? Yeah, territory. It's called Tresspassing, as well as defense for family/food.

No animal attacks for the fuck of attacking. No animal.

[KageOni]

Hacky what do you base that on. Your talking out of your ass.

[Inactive Cargo]

Hacky's on thin ice here, guys. I think what we can both agree with here, is that people who randomly cover a dog in paint thinner and then set it on fire for shits and giggles are fucked up.

[The Badger's Sister]

yarly.

what about the cougar?! D:

[Hacky]

TERRITORY. The biker's were on it's TERRITORY. I said that. It did not attack for shits and giggles. It was defending its fucking territory. Haven't you ever heard the whole "It's more afraid of you than you are of it" thing? Yeah, they're afraid for their own lives. They attack out of defense. Do some research yourself here, try to find one article that says "The Animal attacked for absolutely no reason, it just wanted to have some fun"

[KageOni]

And who is to say that humans don't do it for the same reason. Territory is the essence of war.

[Hacky]

Humans also do game hunting and murder.

[The Badger's Sister]

it's not a territorial thing. people had been riding there for years and years and years. the gd cougar was sitting there stalking its prey.

[Hacky]

Had you watched the cougar day in and day out? Were you 100&#37; aware of where it was at all times and why it was there?

Do some research on animal nature before spouting off about it stalking prey. Even if the person was "prey" then it ate them, and was hungry, therefore falls into another reason why animals kill.

Giving it a reason.

Not for the fuck of it, like you claim.




Maybe it's because we live in such a "everybody is equal" age that we've forgotten the most basic natures:
Kill or be killed. That's what animals live on, if they feel threatened in any way, if they are need food, or if you are infringing on their mating grounds, they will kill you.

They will not follow you for miles outside of its own territory just to kill you and walk away.

A dog will not kill a person because it saw them.
A) The person provoked the dog.
B) The dog was abused and attacked out of fear
C) The dog barked, managed to get outside of any potential fence, and the person ran like an idiot.

Don't run from an animal. Short of the sloth, humans are the slowest animal on earth at top Athelete speed (Excluding the obvious insects and other such things).

[KageOni]

Hacky, your stating absolutes. Thats your first problem. Second, your stating you case as fact. I want sources or your fill of shit.

[Evonus]

By better, I meant morally.

I should have defined that.

So a dog or other nonhuman animal acting in its best interest is morally better than a human acting in its best interest. I didn't know that, thanks for filling me in.

[Destagow]

While I do support universal morality you can't completely, in a clear cut fashion, define morality.

(And no we're not)

[Rab]

TBS see: Ruger's post.

No dog attacks unprovoked, unabused, or not seeking food. That dog was probably abused that you talk about.

Those bears you're talking about? Yeah, territory. It's called Tresspassing, as well as defense for family/food.

No animal attacks for the fuck of attacking. No animal.

You have absolutely no proof to back any of that up.

[The Badger's Sister]

I can't say that the dog wasn't abused, but I still think you're full of shit. I think there are exceptions to every rule, animals included.

I think I would use your same logic with people. No person will kill for no reason. A person kills because he/she is threatened in some way--whether it's a phsychological thing or not, there's still a reason for it. Humans kill because they think the victim "deserved" it, as in this the killer was trying to protect others from the victim (or its stupid/harmful/abnormal views). Humans kill for "pleasure" when there's something psychologically wrong with that person.

example: In pyschology, we went through specific case files of murders. The thing each case file had in common was some sort of traumatic experience during childhood, not necessarily something traumatic that happened to a defenseless child. One, in particular, would bury cats with their heads sticking out of the ground and run teh lawn mower over them. When given a CAT scan, certain parts of the brain weren't functioning as they should be.

example: Another case file was about a construction worker. At work, a nail from a nail gun sooooomehow hit him smack dab in the forehead, the personality part of the brain, where after recovery from the accident, his personailty greatly altered. he became aggressive and unkind in general and eventually tried to murder the man who got the nail in his head in the first place D:

Humans don't kill without reason.

[ftw_59]

I think this thread is the gaydar.

I like dogs more than I like people, and I'll side with hacky on this saying that the average human is worse than the average dog. I think TBS's story is stupid because it's obvious the dog was cranky because it had to look at her. Any dog can be trained out of a bad behavior, HOWEVER some may be harder to do so than others. It certainly isn't as easy to be done as hacky is making it sound, but it can be done. I'm sure there will be some psychotic dogs that just can't be fixed much like some people but for the most part it all depends on the owner.

[Ruger]

Unfortunately for a rule to exist there should be an exception to it. And for the sake of this community I am going to ask a mod to please close this thread before it gets too out of hand.

Thank you.

[Destagow]

No, Ruger. We need some comical relief.







penis call

[The Badger's Sister]

moar crabs.

D:

[Hacky]

Humans don't kill without reason.

See: Game hunting. See also: BTK. He didn't murder for any particular reason other than that he wanted to, for fun.

You guys want sources?
http://www.pestmall.com/main/page.asp?id=68&tid=&bt=&cs=
http://www.co.contra-costa.ca.us/depart/animal/ssaa-3.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_might_an_animal_attack_their_owners_and_other_ people
http://www.stpgov.org/pdf/animalservices_faq.pdf
http://www.co.cumberland.nc.us/animal_control/safety_tips.asp#why
http://thecodicil.blogspot.com/2006/12/just-why-do-animals-attack.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070321135950AAPyz6n


Almost all completely agree with what I've said, and only one mentions "for no apparent reason". Which emphasis can easily be put on the word "apparent" to defend my point (As in the reason is not obvious), however take it if you will, I feel more confident posting a link that hurts my arguement to prove I'm true to the research rather than be an asshole and neglect it.


Also breed is mentioned a lot, which you have a point there, there are some breeds of dogs which are bred for their anger. But it is more than simple to properly train a dog out of its habits, and everybody who owns a dog should know of their dangers and keep them properly contained with a well built fence.


Dog attacks are vastly the fault of the owners/children, and not the dog's. But information is denied, when a child is killed its not like there are any witnesses to say that the kid was teasing the dog, and even when the child lives they're more likely to deny it. Not saying that is the case 100&#37; of the time, but that's highly possible.

Also, dogs, like humans, can have mental illnesses, in which point it should be cared for on an individual basis and not by banning or hating entire breeds of dogs just because you got attacked by one once.

You hating all Rottweilers because of that one event is as stupid as hating all Black people because one mugged you once.

[Destagow]

lolyahooanswers.

But you may be right, in a way. However, I do believe some majority of the animals who have territorial stress are taking it too far.

Such as --
500yrds away! Rawr!~


Like Africanized Honey Bees. Not sure any are that bad though

[ftw_59]

You hating all Rottweilers because of that one event is as stupid as hating all Black people because one mugged you once.

Good point. TBS is a racist hussy!! I love rottweilers D: My dad's friend has one and it's one of the nicest dogs I have ever met. And they are cute as fuck too.

[The Badger's Sister]

It's conditioned learning. I don't mind discriminating against certain types of dogs. I'm also against roaches, insects that sting, cold water, lake water, river water, the color yellow, overly dramatic girls, stilletos, and those who are close-minded.
I'm okay with this & done with this thread.

[ftw_59]

Oops! You're a racist!

Wouldn't the way a lot of black people grow up be considered conditioned learning (Just like a lot of white people)? And yet it's racist to make generalizations about them :0 So sry. RACIST.

[KageOni]

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