The Truth behind the fur industry.

[Coolguy]

First, let me warn you....this is not for the squeemish. There is animal cruelty invovled.

http://www.fozi.cn/bbs/UploadFile/2006-11/baohudongwu.wmv


And that my friend...is where some of your fur comes from.

[crooked]

why dont they kill them first?

[Napalm]

I kinda enjoyed it.

[Inactive Cargo]

Boo fucking hoo.

[Napalm]

p.s. Animal cruelty happens 100% times in nature. Animals slaughter each other every day, hell have you ever seen what an elephant does to an animal that attacks it? It's hundreds of times worse than what's been done in that video.
The only difference between them and us, is that we make fur coats out of those animals.

[Slevin57]

I'm not really for or against, it's just another unnecessary thing that we do. For some very select groups of people its still a way to keep warm...but for most people it's just a status symbol nowadays.

Edit: After viewing the video that is pretty cruel and unusual. Somebody should do that to a few handlers and see how they like dieing slowing after there bones have been shattered

[System_Zero]

And this is news how?

Hell, most animals doesn't even have the privilege of dying right away when they're eaten out in the wild.

[Slevin57]

And this is news how?

Hell, most animals doesn't even have the privilege of dying right away when they're eaten out in the wild.

So I can skin you and 8 of your closest friends and make you into handbags? After all you are just another animal, and I don't really have time to kill 9 people. Not today anyway.

[Shins]

If you can get away with it. Just remember, you'll be labeled a serial killer, not a fashion designer.

[System_Zero]

Only if you if you do a damn good job at the leather tanning process because if no then that would be a crime onto itself. But if you can get away with it then yes you can.

But you still need a permit to kill cretin animals used to make fur products. You just don’t go out into the wild and shoot the first animal you see.

[Confero]

p.s. Animal cruelty happens 100% times in nature. Animals slaughter each other every day, hell have you ever seen what an elephant does to an animal that attacks it? It's hundreds of times worse than what's been done in that video.
The only difference between them and us, is that we make fur coats out of those animals.

Come on man, factory slaughter is not natural in any way. What you are saying is like claiming past genocides aren't so bad since people killing one another is natural. Ever see what a gang or cereal killer does to their victims?

The methods of killing the animals are obviously brutal to a point that makes me laugh. I get angry, and I love animals. Killing the animals can be methodical. The reason for obvious abuse and the treatment they receive must be going over my head.

I don't have any fur coats or leather jackets, but I've got suede shoes and leather shoes. I don't abstain from animal hide and the means of acquiring it are no different from factory farming, which I'm sick of arguing over.

[System_Zero]

The difference here is we're making use what we kill. Genocides are usually done out hatred or spite. We don't hunt down white snow rabbits and eradicate them off the face of the earth just because we don't like how their ears look.

Comparing the fur industry to a genocide doesn't hold any ground since the animals we use to make these products are still alive and continue to live because of measures we ensure to make sure there is still a breeding population.

[Phinius Gage]

http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_289216_-1_12584_12551



I just bought this.

[Slevin57]

Were not trying to kill all the animals for the sake of not having them here, that's genocide. [I also think the word genocide means to kill one's genus, in other words people killing rabbits isnt' genocide by definition].

Now, I might possibly be more agreeable with this if they used everything from the animal, just just beat the crap out of it, skinned it and left it to die. Logically speaking it may not be completely dead after skinning it.

I'm guilty of the habit that as long as I don't see it, it's not there. I know the animals we eat are not killed in very friendly ways, yet I continue to eat them. For instance Purdue Farms leaves the light on 24 hours a day because chickens will eat as long as the "sun" is out. Then they electrocute them to kill them, and sometimes it doesn't kill them and they get sent through the processors anyway.

I think it's important to draw the line between natural and unnatural. NO other species kills more than it needs to survive. They live sustainable, we do not.

Also, most animals that are caught for there fur (except the large-rare ones: Tigers, Polar Bears etc.,) are raised on a farm. They don't send hundreds of Asians into the woods to find the rabbits, they breed them.

Come to think of it, I'd have no problem with it at all if they would kill the animals first.


http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_289216_-1_12584_12551

I just bought this.

How very preppy of you.

http://marmot.com/products/

Those ppl pwn. There clothes are expensive, but it kept me warm in the winter in Montana, so Win.

[Napalm]

(1).Come on man, factory slaughter is not natural in any way. (2).What you are saying is like claiming past genocides aren't so bad since people killing one another is natural. Ever see what a gang or cereal killer does to their victims?

(3).The methods of killing the animals are obviously brutal to a point that makes me laugh. I get angry, and I love animals. Killing the animals can be methodical. The reason for obvious abuse and the treatment they receive must be going over my head.

There you go, putting words into my mouth.
1. I said it happens in nature. Last I recalled, it doesn't need to be natural to happen in nature. In other words, us paving over forests for new cities is unnatural, but it still happens in nature. In other words, the wild.
2. People killing one another is natural. We are animals, and animals kill each other. Animals are obviously not intelligent enough to create small arms and nuclear weapons to do it.
3. Don't gaf.

[Evonus]

Boo fucking hoo.

My thoughts exactly. There are so many more important things to worry about.

[Hacky]

What I hate is the fact that we can get a video of this happening in one place at one time and suddenly hate the whole industry for animal cruelty.

Instead of attacking people on a person to person basis we go after the whole industry, and now ALL of the fur industry is a bunch of horrible people who bring joy from torturing animals.

[RoxorFuxor]

The only difference between them and us, is that we make fur coats out of those animals.

No, the only difference is that we have a conscience.

[RoxorFuxor]

What I hate is the fact that we can get a video of this happening in one place at one time and suddenly hate the whole industry for animal cruelty.

Instead of attacking people on a person to person basis we go after the whole industry, and now ALL of the fur industry is a bunch of horrible people who bring joy from torturing animals.

Coolguy did specify that is is only where "some" of the fur comes from. I don't think anyone said that all companies do it this way. Of course, you might not even be implying this and therefore I like balls.

[Hacky]

I'm mostly refering to the people who refuse to wear anything related to fur at all because the animals are "abused". It really isn't a particular complaint about anybody here, but like people who flip out and act like it is the most suprising thing in the world and all fur should be banned, leather shouldn't be worn either, etc. It's mostly just the tree hugging vegitarians I hate about it, but then the people who aren't tree hugging vegitarians and STILL bitch about stuff like this are even worse.

[Kinetix]

First, let me warn you....this is not for the squeemish. There is animal cruelty invovled.

http://www.fozi.cn/bbs/UploadFile/2006-11/baohudongwu.wmv


And that my friend...is where some of your fur comes from.

That wasn't bad at all. Still didn't change my opinion on it. Actually made me want a hamburger. Which btw, i'm now eating.


So I can skin you and 8 of your closest friends and make you into handbags? After all you are just another animal, and I don't really have time to kill 9 people. Not today anyway.

QFUCKINGQ

[Confero]

Why would someone who let a bunch of minks out of their cages get ten years in prison?

[Evonus]

Why would someone who let a bunch of minks out of their cages get ten years in prison?

That's like asking why would anyone who stole a bunch of rolexes get ten years in prison. Because it's loss of property.

[Confero]

That's like asking why would anyone who stole a bunch of rolexes get ten years in prison. Because it's loss of property.

I have trouble comparing a living breathing thing to a Rolex. I could compare you to a punching bag though. Maybe after that I'd get the idea.

[System_Zero]

Property is still property weather it be alive or inanimate. That's how business works, and no one is telling you to buy their crap. It still doesn't give you the right to shit all over other people who do or disrupt a business all because "It's wrong".

[Napalm]

hurt Dustin
heal System Zero

System Zero is right though. Regardless of what you nature fags think, those animals are property of _______ company. Breaking into a lab or what not and freeing the animals is a crime. So...suck it up.

[Confero]

For me, it's safe to say if I came across someone in person treating the animals that way, they would loose their head.

[System_Zero]

So you'd kill a person who was killing an animal. So who's the humane one now? :rolleyes:

[Confero]

So you'd kill a person who was killing an animal. So who's the humane one now? :rolleyes:

In any light, I feel I am right. Feel free to continue arguing.

[Shins]

In any light, I feel I am right..

Only the Sith deal in absolutes!

[Napalm]

:cry: they would loose their head.
K. How does someone loosen their head. Please explain.

[Hacky]

In any light, I feel I am right. Feel free to continue arguing.

How do you feel you're right?

Man abuses an animal, and gets killed for it? What part of 'humans are the top of the food chain' do you not understand? How about humanity working together for our self interest. If we work against one another society will crash and the entire race will die off slowly.

The life of any animal is below the life of a human. This is a moral that humanity has lost over time, and we put the cute and furry creatures above ourselves.

In the end, a squirrel is a fucking squirrel no matter how "nearly extinct" it is, but a single human can change the lives of thousands.

[Slevin57]

hurt Dustin
heal System Zero

System Zero is right though. Regardless of what you nature fags think, those animals are property of _______ company. Breaking into a lab or what not and freeing the animals is a crime. So...suck it up.

Since Lazz is out fighting fires:

Wait until YOU are property of a company.

[System_Zero]

That's a really lame come back. Seriously. You can whine and bitch about the 'What ifs" but in the end all it does it waste time.

No one is asking you to buy or ware fur. They're in no way shape or form inhibiting on your very existence unless you choose it to. These are not thoughtless killings as what is being killed is being put to use. If instead they were killing animals and not making use of of their kill then that's just a fucking waste.

But before you spout out about then it should be ok kill people so long as we make use of the kill, remember that in order to hunt an animal you need a permit and can only hunt certain animals at certain times of the years.

[Napalm]

Exactly.
I can hunt bears if I want it to, but I can't hunt females or cubs. :/
Same goes for Deer and etc.

[Evonus]

I have trouble comparing a living breathing thing to a Rolex.

You do, because you're a simple minded peon. I don't because I see things as they are, and know that the animal and the watch are both no more than systems that are simpler than humanity, and thus humanity uses them to serve itself.


I could compare you to a punching bag though. Maybe after that I'd get the idea.

Hey, this is like a rep limbo! "How low can you go, DUSTIN!"

[Confero]

You do, because you're a simple minded peon.

You may sound firm and insulting, but you're just a little prick. This doesn't have anything to do with the fur industry, and is blatant shit talking. You're a loser.

[JJAGoodfella]

Because we're the only other species that kills animals, right?

If you are so strongly against this than I advise you to do the following:

- Go vegan.

- Dont use a car.

- Dont live in a normal home. (Igloo perhaps?)

- Go live free and naked in nature with all the animals.

- Enjoy.

[Mooters]

wow, that sounds like a great plan! I'm gonna go do that right now.

[System_Zero]

You may sound firm and insulting, but you're just a little prick. This doesn't have anything to do with the fur industry, and is blatant shit talking. You're a loser.

Clearly, neither is your post.

Fail.

[Tyr]

Enjoyable video would watch again.
Also is that some Darkthrone?

[Evonus]

You may sound firm and insulting, but you're just a little prick. This doesn't have anything to do with the fur industry, and is blatant shit talking. You're a loser.

Oh okay, so you saying you'd kill someone for working in the fur industry and saying you'd use me as a punching bag are two posts that are just full of neverending insight. Go crawl back into your hole you treehugging hippy fag. You don't have the right to call anyone else a loser, you're the one who stays up at night crying over animal cruelty.

[Napalm]

Anybody want to see me kick a puppy?

[Kinetix]

Anybody want to see me kick a puppy?

As long as it isn't a kitten. If you kick a kitten the world will explode definitely.

[Napalm]

What, really?
That's good because I have a kitten that was just born today.

[Confero]

Oh okay, so you saying you'd kill someone for working in the fur industry and saying you'd use me as a punching bag are two posts that are just full of neverending insight. Go crawl back into your hole you treehugging hippy fag. You don't have the right to call anyone else a loser, you're the one who stays up at night crying over animal cruelty.

Well, I guess I can finish up with this thread by explaining to you that you're a suburban yuppie piece of shit, also I hate hippies and your stereotypes are way off. Why bother correcting you when you have no idea who I am in the first place, anyway?

I hope someone skins your ass and wears you as a coat. Until then, have fun riding around in the your mom's minivan, asshole. Maybe if you're good until Christmas she will buy you a Wii and a gift card to McDonald's.


You're the one who stays up at night crying over animal cruelty.

Not funny. You're a douche bag.

[System_Zero]

Now you're just acting like a little bitch. Seriously, your posts just keep getting worse and worse. Life isn't a cutesy Disney like world where all animals get along and sing and dance have fucking tea parties.

Like I said before these aren't pointless killings, as they’re making use of what is killed. And like I said before, no one is forcing you to buy this stuff so likewise who are you to get on anyone else’s back because they choose to?

So a baby seal walks into a club…

[Erosennin]

Well, I guess I can finish up with this thread by explaining to you that you're a suburban yuppie piece of shit, also I hate hippies and your stereotypes are way off. Why bother correcting you when you have no idea who I am in the first place, anyway?

I hope someone skins your ass and wears you as a coat. Until then, have fun riding around in the your mom's minivan, asshole. Maybe if you're good until Christmas she will buy you a Wii and a gift card to McDonald's.

Not funny. You're a douche bag.

Man shoots dog- RSPCA- 3 months jail or $10 000 fine
Man shoots man- 911- All expense paid holiday to ass rape village

No why would you get a longer sentence be imposed for a man OH thats right a Man/Woman contributes to society 1 dog however probably doesn't.
"Why bother correcting you when you have no idea who I am in the first place" apply the rule to your self? How can I judge by the fight you are putting up it seems you cant stand to loose a fight.

1 more thing animals that are around are tools they are living and breathing and do feel pain but are below us in the food chain.

[Napalm]

I hope someone skins your ass and wears you as a coat.


Why do I get the feeling that you're the offspring of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOtG3xDP4o

[TDD]

Why do I get the feeling that you're the offspring of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOtG3xDP4o
Napalm is that the right link? Because if it is, I don't get it.

[Napalm]

Then you've never seen Silence of the Lambs.

[Hacky]

The book is better

[Evonus]

Well, I guess I can finish up with this thread by explaining to you that you're a suburban yuppie piece of shit,

The fact that you call me a yuppie makes me full of giggles.


also I hate hippies and your stereotypes are way off. Why bother correcting you when you have no idea who I am in the first place, anyway?

OMG DUSTIN U R SO MISTERIUS! SO SORY 4 KWESTUNING U!


I hope someone skins your ass and wears you as a coat. Until then, have fun riding around in the your mom's minivan, asshole.

When I was 17 I moved out of my parents house to attend college in another state. Now I'm 19 and working as an engineering intern for one of the largest chemical companies on the planet, and I'm like 2000 miles away from my mother at the moment.


Maybe if you're good until Christmas she will buy you a Wii and a gift card to McDonald's.

I eat McDonald's once a year. Not to mention I make 17 dollars an hour at the age of 19 which will only increase with time. I can buy things for myself. :dance:


Not funny. You're a douche bag.

That's odd, I found it hilarious.

You fail so hard. See unlike you I actually work so I don't have time to cry about false idealisms all day long, fag.

[Napalm]

Evonus i make 1000 usd an hour keeping presidential secrets...well, secret.

[Evonus]

Evonus i make 1000 usd an hour keeping presidential secrets...well, secret.

That makes me think you and Slevin are in cahoots.

[Confero]

The fact that you call me a yuppie makes me full of giggles.



OMG DUSTIN U R SO MISTERIUS! SO SORY 4 KWESTUNING U!



When I was 17 I moved out of my parents house to attend college in another state. Now I'm 19 and working as an engineering intern for one of the largest chemical companies on the planet, and I'm like 2000 miles away from my mother at the moment.



I eat McDonald's once a year. Not to mention I make 17 dollars an hour at the age of 19 which will only increase with time. I can buy things for myself. :dance:



That's odd, I found it hilarious.

You fail so hard. See unlike you I actually work so I don't have time to cry about false idealisms all day long, fag.
It's hilarious that you keep saying I am "crying" about what I think, when really everything I think is fairly moderate. A yuppie kid like you just isn't funny. When did I even talk about being mysterious? Maybe if you weren't a presumptuous little cock about everything there wouldn't be a mystery. A bitch like you is going to call me a fag and a tree hugging hippie? Man, I would smack the shit out of you for that in person and luckily for me I can just ignore your naive way of thinking and not flame with you.

[Evonus]

It's hilarious that you keep saying I am "crying" about what I think, when really everything I think is fairly moderate.

Yes, saying you'd rather kill a human being than a mosquitto, or decapitate someone from skinning an animal is being fairly moderate. If that's true I would fucking hate to see an extremist.


A yuppie kid like you just isn't funny.

We're the same age, moron.


When did I even talk about being mysterious? Maybe if you weren't a presumptuous little cock about everything there wouldn't be a mystery. A bitch like you is going to call me a fag and a tree hugging hippie? Man, I would smack the shit out of you for that in person and luckily for me I can just ignore your naive way of thinking and not flame with you.

I think I've figured out Dustin's posting format.

Excessive tree hugging comment + bad insult + denying whatever you say + bad insult + more denial + threat over the internet.

Anyone who is good at Java want to make a Dustin template?

[Confero]

How long do you want to drag this out and keep making yourself look like an idiot? Give up and fail.

[System_Zero]

How does the saying go? If you sit down at a poker table and don't know who the sucker is, it's probably you.

Clearly Dustin fails to see he’s the who’s the “sucker” at this poker table.

[Shins]

The book is better

Have you seen the new release, "Hannibal Rising,"; some prequel that explains Lecter's origins? I'm not too keen on picking it up, not so much because "Hannibal" itself was a disappointment, but since I generally hate when the author completely removes the air of mystery around a character.

I don't want to feel pity for Lecter as a sympathetic character: I want to marvel at his audacity.

[Evonus]

How long do you want to drag this out and keep making yourself look like an idiot? Give up and fail.

be careful dustin, Irony this concentrated could probably burn through your keyboard.