Religion

[Spanky Ham]

Alright well since you guys keep bringing this up on other threads as well...Heres a place where you can post about it.
I'll start things off. My view is that religions are bad. I prefer to learn things from some religions and not others(For example some of the ten commandments). But I do not believe they are entirely truthful so I think they all got lost along the way. I am not an atheist, I believe there is a god but not the ones in any of the religions I have read about. I believe some things in the bible are bullshit but I don't look down on others for believing it, since it does make some good points about life.
Life is about peace, love and looking out for others, not proving myself to a God(or Gods). How about you guys what do you think?

[Slevin57]

So you only believe what you find to be convenient or easy? What does that say about you?

I am a nontheist...a person who is neither a theist, nor an atheist (nor, for that matter an agnostic).

A nontheist neither believes God exists, nor that God does not exist.

To a notheist, both theism and atheism are a complete waste of mental bandwidth. In other words, to a nontheist the question of the existence or non-existence of God is completely irrelevant.

A nontheist is different from an agnostic: An agnostic generally believes we simply cannot know whether God does or does not exist. A nontheist, on the other hand, generally believes that it is possible to figure it out, but why bother?

The Buddha is the first historically known nontheist. Most Buddhists are nontheist.

The Buddha was often asked whether God existed. Usually, he replied with a complete silence. Once, however, he told the story of the man shot by a poisoned arrow.

When the doctor came and wanted to pull the arrow out of the wound, the man grabbed the doctor's hand and asked:

"Before you start treating me, Doctor, tell me, who was it that shot me? Was he of warrior class or some other class? Was he tall or was he short? Was he young or was he old? Was he dark skinned or light skinned?"

The doctor ignored the questions and pulled the arrow out. Had he answered the questions, the patient would have died.

That is why, said the Buddha, I will not answer your question about God. If I did, you would just spend your time in endless speculation, and never awaken from your current state.

[Spanky Ham]

So you only believe what you find to be convenient or easy? What does that say about you?

A nontheist is different from an agnostic: An agnostic generally believes we simply cannot know whether God does or does not exist. A nontheist, on the other hand, generally believes that it is possible to figure it out, but why bother?



Wow Slevin, thats deep. Ok I guess I'm an nontheist then. As for your first question i did not mean it like that, I meant I take lessons from these religions not follow it half-assed or anything because I am too lazy or it is convient for me. For example:

You shall not steal.
Honor your father and your mother...
You shall not murder.

[Napalm]

Alright well since you guys keep bringing this up on other threads as well...Heres a place where you can post about it.
I'll start things off. My view is that religions are bad. I prefer to learn things from some religions and not others(For example some of the ten commandments). But I do not believe they are entirely truthful so I think they all got lost along the way. I am not an atheist, I believe there is a god but not the ones in any of the religions I have read about. I believe some things in the bible are bullshit but I don't look down on others for believing it, since it does make some good points about life.
Life is about peace, love and looking out for others, not proving myself to a God(or Gods). How about you guys what do you think?

In your awing, and brilliant view, why are religions bad? Please explain that to me. I can't seem to comprehend your simplicity and lack of knowledge. But seeing as how you don't know a thing about religions except for what you've heard from your parent/sibling/friend/television/radio/Inactive Cargo, you're full of shit. I recommend actually learning something about these religions which you so adamantly hate.

Also, religions are about peace, love, and looking out for others, as well as proving one's self to a God. If you knew anything about theology, you'd know this too. But you don't. I thought I would point this out to you.


So you only believe what you find to be convenient or easy? What does that say about you?

I am a nontheist...a person who is neither a theist, nor an atheist (nor, for that matter an agnostic).

A nontheist neither believes God exists, nor that God does not exist.

To a notheist, both theism and atheism are a complete waste of mental bandwidth. In other words, to a nontheist the question of the existence or non-existence of God is completely irrelevant.

A nontheist is different from an agnostic: An agnostic generally believes we simply cannot know whether God does or does not exist. A nontheist, on the other hand, generally believes that it is possible to figure it out, but why bother?

The Buddha is the first historically known nontheist. Most Buddhists are nontheist.

The Buddha was often asked whether God existed. Usually, he replied with a complete silence. Once, however, he told the story of the man shot by a poisoned arrow.

When the doctor came and wanted to pull the arrow out of the wound, the man grabbed the doctor's hand and asked:

"Before you start treating me, Doctor, tell me, who was it that shot me? Was he of warrior class or some other class? Was he tall or was he short? Was he young or was he old? Was he dark skinned or light skinned?"

The doctor ignored the questions and pulled the arrow out. Had he answered the questions, the patient would have died.

That is why, said the Buddha, I will not answer your question about God. If I did, you would just spend your time in endless speculation, and never awaken from your current state.

So in other words...you're full of shit. :thumup:

[Spanky Ham]

Ha...We have done a religion class at school so I know the basics...I just don't think that their gods(if they have one) are true. Religions have done some fucked up things in history, I'm not saying that they are bad now but just because of that I don't want to be part of it. Fuck it, I want to do whatever what I want, not going to live my life to a fucking religion. That doesn't mean I'm gonna go around doing terrible things..no it means I want to live my life to the fullest and not regret not doing anything. Plus there are so many damn religions out there, who's to say which one is right. Humans make them up sometimes, you can't believe them all of them, you can't trust anyone of them all you can do is have faith(my faith dieing with Santa Clause)
Instead of criticizing my opinions on religion how about you tell us about yours.

[Napalm]

Ha...We have done a religion class at school so I know the basics...I just don't think that their gods(if they have one) are true. Religions have done some fucked up things in history, I'm not saying that they are bad now but just because of that I don't want to be part of it. Fuck it, I want to do whatever what I want, not going to live my life to a fucking religion. That doesn't mean I'm gonna go around doing terrible things..no it means I want to live my life to the fullest and not regret not doing anything. Plus there are so many damn religions out there, who's to say which one is right. Humans make them up sometimes, you can't believe them all of them, you can't trust anyone of them all you can do is have faith(my faith dieing with Santa Clause)
Instead of criticizing my opinions on religion how about you tell us about yours.
Don't feed me your stupid ideals. Your whole "I can do whatever I want with my life" is a load of bullshit. Regardless of you doing a class on "religion", you still don't understand the basics. Religion is not at fault for the histories wrongdoings. That's like blaming videogames for school shootings, or music for misbehavior. :rolleyes:
I criticize your opinions because of two reasons. One, you posted them, you should expect it. Two, they are stupid and deserve to be shit on.

And finally, whoever this "us" is, I won't indulge them in my beliefs. If you don't feel like being a lazy whore, you can use the SEARCH (http://www.1337.com/forums/search.php) function to find all the wonderful threads on religion this forum has conversed in. I've already made my beliefs pretty clear there. ;)


OH WAIT. You can't. Tough luck.

[Inactive Cargo]

But seeing as how you don't know a thing about religions except for what you've heard from your parent/sibling/friend/television/radio/Inactive CargoEh?!

[Evonus]

Alright well since you guys keep bringing this up on other threads as well...Heres a place where you can post about it.
I'll start things off. My view is that religions are bad. I prefer to learn things from some religions and not others(For example some of the ten commandments). But I do not believe they are entirely truthful so I think they all got lost along the way. I am not an atheist, I believe there is a god but not the ones in any of the religions I have read about. I believe some things in the bible are bullshit but I don't look down on others for believing it, since it does make some good points about life.
Life is about peace, love and looking out for others, not proving myself to a God(or Gods). How about you guys what do you think?

This is so bogus it makes me want to puke. You believe what suits your motives at the time. You believe in Christian morales when it allows you to bash gays and abuse women, but not when it hinders you. You'll support religion when its convenient for you, that's really nice. People like you are the reason murder is justifiable in some situations.


In your awing, and brilliant view, why are religions bad? Please explain that to me. I can't seem to comprehend your simplicity and lack of knowledge. But seeing as how you don't know a thing about religions except for what you've heard from your parent/sibling/friend/television/radio/Inactive Cargo, you're full of shit. I recommend actually learning something about these religions which you so adamantly hate.

Also, religions are about peace, love, and looking out for others,

That's why like half of the old testament is about Jewish conquest of the middle east. They conquered with love though, and it was killing "evil" people that stood against God! Of course, I get it now, they were just trying to kill off everyone else on the planet that didn't share their views, then there would be peace! Hey that means the nazis were peaceful too. :)

Love and looking out for others. Yeah like how all religions love people of other religions, as well as critics and homosexuals. The 3 major religious texts on the planet preach intolerance, so I don't see where you get this love and looking out for others thing.

Religion is about believing something so blindly that you dare not question it, loving those who believe what you do, and converting or killing everyone that doesn't. Sounds really lovely to me.

[Spanky Ham]

This is so bogus it makes me want to puke. You believe what suits your motives at the time. You believe in Christian morales when it allows you to bash gays and abuse women, but not when it hinders you. You'll support religion when its convenient for you, that's really nice. People like you are the reason murder is justifiable in some situations.



That's why like half of the old testament is about Jewish conquest of the middle east. They conquered with love though, and it was killing "evil" people that stood against God! Of course, I get it now, they were just trying to kill off everyone else on the planet that didn't share their views, then there would be peace! Hey that means the nazis were peaceful too. :)

Love and looking out for others. Yeah like how all religions love people of other religions, as well as critics and homosexuals. The 3 major religious texts on the planet preach intolerance, so I don't see where you get this love and looking out for others thing.

Religion is about believing something so blindly that you dare not question it, loving those who believe what you do, and converting or killing everyone that doesn't. Sounds really lovely to me.


Evonus, not at all. If you think I'm actually like that then I'm insulted. What kind of prick would be like that. You know what, you can think whatever you want, I'm not ever going bother.

However in spite of how you think of me, you do have some good ideas running. It has been proved in history that a fair bit have wars have been over religion.



And finally, whoever this "us" is, I won't indulge them in my beliefs. If you don't feel like being a lazy whore, you can use the SEARCH function to find all the wonderful threads on religion this forum has conversed in. I've already made my beliefs pretty clear there.


OH WAIT. You can't. Tough luck.

I think I remember you being sharkpooled a little while ago? Hm wait no, it was just my imagination, that could never happen to the high and mighty Napalm.

[Evonus]

However in spite of how you think of me, you do have some good ideas running. It has been proved in history that a fair bit have wars have been over religion.

See, but once again you miss my point, and this is what Napalm was trying to tell you.

It doesn't matter that wars are fought over religion, or whether individuals have religious differences that they can't resolve. You can not blame an ideal for the actions of humans that follow the ideal; however, my case is that the ideal is rotten to the core and that it only preaches love, tolerance, peace, ect in selective situations and among members of it's own kind, and that besides those selective times it in fact is not meant to bring peace and love by "justice" and "deliverance".

[Spanky Ham]

Ok well fair enough. Yea I know what you mean now its not religions fault its the people who do the terrible things themselves.
Not all "ideals" are rotten to the core like that though take buddism for example; all it does is teach you that you don't exist and to do good deeds.

[Evonus]

Ok well fair enough. Yea I know what you mean now its not religions fault its the people who do the terrible things themselves.
Not all "ideals" are rotten to the core like that though take buddism for example; all it does is teach you that you don't exist and to do good deeds.

Buddhism also preaches idleness and inactivity, which in themselves are bad things. Although Buddhism is probably my favorite of all religions, it still represents devoting yourself in an entirety to something that may or may not exist, and therefore wasting generation after generation in a pursuit of something that could end up being nothing. We should seek enlightenment about things on this earth and our own nature before we seek enlightenment from things afar. So while Buddhism is not nearly as bad as Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, is still is a milestone to progress, because it rejects what is worldly.

[Napalm]

This is so bogus it makes me want to puke. You believe what suits your motives at the time. You believe in Christian morales when it allows you to bash gays and abuse women, but not when it hinders you. You'll support religion when its convenient for you, that's really nice. People like you are the reason murder is justifiable in some situations.
I love you.


That's why like half of the old testament is about Jewish conquest of the middle east. They conquered with love though, and it was killing "evil" people that stood against God! Of course, I get it now, they were just trying to kill off everyone else on the planet that didn't share their views, then there would be peace! Hey that means the nazis were peaceful too. :)
Right, and there's a reason nobody likes the jews. :P
Either way the old testament, was used as a political tool, rather than to preach love and caring and all that.


Love and looking out for others. Yeah like how all religions love people of other religions, as well as critics and homosexuals. The 3 major religious texts on the planet preach intolerance, so I don't see where you get this love and looking out for others thing.
You know, speaking of homosexuals...This is rich, whenever I ask the christians their stance on homosexuality, I always get a "hate the sin, love the sinner" answer. Which they turn around and end up CNBC preaching that homosexuals are the cause of death of soldiers in Iraq. :rolleyes:



I think I remember you being sharkpooled a little while ago? Hm wait no, it was just my imagination, that could never happen to the high and mighty Napalm.
I dunno, it seems to me like you've avoided my first question for 3 posts now, and now you're switching subjects to me being shark pooled, like anyone even cares? LOL!
Good game, loser. :clap:

[Slevin57]

So in other words...you're full of shit. :thumup:

No, the best way to reaffirm my own belief is to be a devil's advocate for the others :P

[Napalm]

Shut it, travtech.

[Slevin57]

yeah I banned myself, nick.

[Napalm]

So is it gay if I cyber myself?

[Evonus]

So is it gay if I cyber myself?

No, it's e-masturbation.

[Napalm]

Hooray!

[Spanky Ham]

Alright you guys just lost me, must be because I'm new to these forums. Can we get on topic please?

In answer to your first question 'why are religions bad'. I personally think this for a few reasons such as:
1. They teach some things that are bad/wrong
2. Just because their views on life and the universe are wrong(that is just my opinion though)
3. They cause fights

[Napalm]

1. What things? Please specify, don't spout out bullshit.
2. What views on life and universe?
3. What fights?


Congratulations, you're an idiot. Take the door on your left for your prize.

[Hacky]

Alright you guys just lost me, must be because I'm new to these forums. Can we get on topic please?

In answer to your first question 'why are religions bad'. I personally think this for a few reasons such as:
1. They teach some things that are bad/wrong
2. Just because their views on life and the universe are wrong(that is just my opinion though)
3. They cause fights

For somebody that hates religions for "causing fights" you sure have no problem hating gays.

[Avarik]

"I don't like religion because it causes fights."

Wow that is the worst argument ever.

You spanky ham, are a fucking idiot.

[Spanky Ham]

Ok now I'm annoyed since I have to search for the information....
1. In Islam it states: God enjoins you about your children that a boy’s share is equal to that of two girls’.
Praying, not so much bad but if you step back and look at it, it is pretty far fetched.
2. For example The Four Noble Truths in buddism
3. An example would be The French Wars of Religion, which were a series of conflicts fought between Catholics and Protestants from the middle of the sixteenth century.

Another example would be Jihad in Islamic religion which people use to condone 'Holy Wars'. Several infighting and civil wars have resulted because of this as well as war on other countries. Example: The Ansa-r fighting the Egyptians and British in the battle of El Obeid on 1883.

Thanks Napalm for wasting MORE of my life...


For somebody that hates religions for "causing fights" you sure have no problem hating gays.

Don't 'hate' gays, hate is a too strong word. It's not like I go around causing fights with gays.(Wait a sec I didn't know being gay was a religion)


"I don't like religion because it causes fights."

Wow that is the worst argument ever.

You spanky ham, are a fucking idiot.

You want to hear a worser argument? Here: No you are a fucking idiot. There you go I just proved you wrong.

[Hacky]

Worser........




Anyway, I never said being gay was a religion.... maybe you're too much of a fool to see my point, but let me put it in simple words for you.

You complain about homosexuality. And you dislike religion for starting fights. Religion often starts fights with homosexuality. So do you.


Gays are wrong and are growing in numbers, so if i supported it I would be supporting the extiction of the human race, no babes = no humans.
As long as they the the f*uck away from me I don't care but theres no way in hell I would still be friends with one of my friends if they turn gay.

(Empahsis my own)

Yep, seems like you'd start fights with gays to me.

[Spanky Ham]

Yep, seems like you'd start fights with gays to me.

How so? Just because I probably wouldn't be friends with a gay person doesn't mean that I start fights with gays...wha?

Yes I know being gay isn't a religion, I was simply implying that you posted something on gays in a thread about religion.

Just because I complain about both of them doesn't mean I take sides with either one of them when they both fight. I do not start fights with homosexuality, I just think that it is wrong and immoral.
If I missed the point again...well dumb it down some more...

[Hacky]

I brought it up becuase it had relavence... just because they're seperate threads doesn't mean the points aren't the same.

And you never said probably wouldn't be friends with a gay person, you said no way in hell you'd remain friends with somebody you were friends with before hand, if they turned gay. In order for that to happen, there has to be a bit of an arguement. I mean, friends don't just stop being friends completely and utterly without some confrontation...

You also sure have no problem denying gays their rights, another "fight". I'm proving that you are being hypocritcal.

You have no good reason to hate religion, at least IC knows why religion is wrong. You just don't agree with them. Or, actually, you don't agree with certain points, but you're fine with picking and choosing morals that you like.

BTW, Wars are started over everything, not just religion. Religion might cause some wars, because it is the main area where people don't agree with one another, but look at WWI and II. Look at Vietnam and Korea. Look at the war in Iraq. Take a look into the Roman Empire, maybe you should become a little more versed in your history.

[Spanky Ham]

I have voiced my opinions and if you still disagree with them that is fine. I don't pick and choose morals I like I get those through life experience and if it sounds right top me I accept that.
Thats all I got to say.

[Napalm]

Ok now I'm annoyed since I have to search for the information....
1. In Islam it states: God enjoins you about your children that a boy’s share is equal to that of two girls’.
Praying, not so much bad but if you step back and look at it, it is pretty far fetched.
2. For example The Four Noble Truths in buddism
3. An example would be The French Wars of Religion, which were a series of conflicts fought between Catholics and Protestants from the middle of the sixteenth century.

1. Smells bullshit to me, I have a Qu'Ran, so why don't you point me out to the verse and chapter and etc. etc. and I can prove you wrong yet again.
2. I don't think you understand the Four Noble Truths at all.
The four noble truths are:

1. Life is suffering.
Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, dissociation from the loved is suffering, not to get what one wants is suffering: in short the five categories affected by clinging are suffering.
There is this Noble Truth of Suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.
This Noble Truth must be penetrated by fully understanding suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.
This Noble Truth has been penetrated by fully understanding suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.

2. We suffer because of our desires and attachments.
It is craving which renews being and is accompanied by relish and lust, relishing this and that: in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being. But whereon does this craving arise and flourish? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, thereon it arises and flourishes.
There is this Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering:such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.
This Noble Truth must be penetrated to by abandoning the origin of suffering....
This Noble Truth has been penetrated to by abandoning the origin of suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.

3. To get rid of suffering, get rid of desire.
It is the remainderless fading and cessation of that same craving; the rejecting, relinquishing, leaving and renouncing of it. But whereon is this craving abandoned and made to cease? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, thereon it is abandoned and made to cease.
There is this Noble Truth of the Cessation of Suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.
This Noble Truth must be penetrated to by realising the Cessation of Suffering....
This Noble Truth has been penetrated to by realising the Cessation of Suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.
4. The way that will work for us is the Eight-Fold Path.

And it consists of the following branches:
Right Understanding
Right Thinking
Right Speech
Right Attitude
Right Livelihood
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration

3. You're right that the catholics and protestans fought. But once again, you misinterpret the difference between idiotic zealots, and true christians.



Another example would be Jihad in Islamic religion which people use to condone 'Holy Wars'. Several infighting and civil wars have resulted because of this as well as war on other countries. Example: The Ansa-r fighting the Egyptians and British in the battle of El Obeid on 1883.
Again, you don't know anything. Westerners interpret Jihad as a "Holy War" which is entirely wrong. Islam teaches Jihad, which is achieving inner peace, and becoming one with the Creator. Jihad is all about peaceful inner struggle. Similar to Buddhism and their Nirvana.


Thanks Napalm for wasting MORE of my life...
Thanks, Spanky for being an idiot. By your arguements here, you've proved to me that you are a tool. Fuck off already, you've been fighting an uphill battle concering religion, and I've defended against every attack you've made on it.

[Spanky Ham]

Hey Napalm no probs, t'was fun, anytime. This is gonna be my last post on this thread since I can't be fucked wasting my time on such a trivial thing.
1.Qur'an, 4:11
2.I understand them I just think they are wrong.
3.Yes jihad doesn't not mean that but, extremist groups use it as an excuse.

No, I'm not going to fuck off, but I am leaving this thread so happy days.

[Napalm]

EXACTLY. You finally fucking get it you goddamn cunt.
EXTREMISTS USE RELIGION AS AN EXCUSE.

[Shins]

There is an extremist for every single thought or action any human brain has ever come up with.

For example, I am an extreme masturbator, and you, Spanky, are an extreme fucktard.

[Mooters]

Spanky Ham, I really see that you're just causing this on yourself.
you're arguments are stupid, and your points are even more retarded, no offense. :|
You're just getting yourself banned.
It's seem no one likes you at all, but it wouldn't really matter though.

First of all, if you want to fit in here, you have to know what the heck your talking about. It's probably really late for me to say this all.

[System_Zero]

I have voiced my opinions and if you still disagree with them that is fine.
How are misguided facts considered an opinion? Oh, that's right. Because facts aren't opinions.


I don't pick and choose morals I like I get those through life experience and if it sounds right top me I accept that.

That's picking and choosing your morals, regardless of what their origins are. But the fact still remains that you only choose to follow certain aspects of a particular religion so long as it gives you leeway to what ever is convent to you while ignoring the rest of the included package.

No matter how you sugar coat it and dance around it like it's something else, you're still picking and choosing.

[Evonus]

There is an extremist for every single thought or action any human brain has ever come up with.

For example, I am an extreme masturbator, and you, Spanky, are an extreme fucktard.

You sir, have made your way into my sig.

But as far as spanky ham is concerned.

I'm not going to bash you, because I think Napalm is doing a fine job of that on his own. Instead I'll give you some study topics.

1) Look up the difference between a fundamental and an interpretation, because you confused both of them many times in this discussion.

2) Consult a book on the english language or typing, because your posts are borderline unintelligible half the time, not even joking. I had to reread your posts many times to get the meaning.

3) Start reading novels by people other than your own fan base. Read notes, stories, memoirs by muslims, gays, hispanics, blacks, ect until you get a more worldy opinion, because everything you have this narrow minded tunnel vision that naturally draws people against you.

Now you could choose to take this advice and become a more worldly and intelligent person, or you could continue to ignore them and learn the hard way, it's up to you really.

[Shins]

You sir, have made your way into my sig.

I have to wonder now if being in the same signature as crooked means I'm going to lose my lush head of hair.

[Evonus]

I have to wonder now if being in the same signature as crooked means I'm going to lose my lush head of hair.

I can remove him if you two kiddies can't get along down there. :king:

[Napalm]

Goddamnit Shins, stop posting. I have so many reps for so many posts to give to you.

[Slevin57]

This seems to be turning into a Spank the ham post...

Spanky, some of your ideas are a bit underdeveloped, but I see where your coming from.

No idea or concept is perfect. Religion has been a powerful motivation since recorded history. Powerful motivators always get blamed for being the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

For a period of about 1200 years the Catholic Church Ruled most of Europe, Africa and western Asia. We know through documented history that they did some terrible things, but nothing any worse than the colonial powers.

Personally I have no problem with religion today, I think it's a "neat idea". Along Evonus' line of thought (blaming people not the ideal) even if Christianity didn't exist I am almost certain it would not change the way people believe.

In any group of people you will have liberal minded people and you will have conservative minded people. There are some Christians that are out teaching only the positive message of the bible, and accept ALL people into there congregation. Then there are conservative Christians that follow the bible very strictly, and will not even consider any views other then their own.

I have no desire to go to a Christian church. I went for a while on both sides of the fence (Catholic & Baptist). The Catholic Church was just repeating things over and over, you were there for an hour and that was it. In fact, they have a missile which every church must follow, so if you went to church on the second Sunday in December then went next year on the 2nd Sunday in December, it would be the SAME sermon.

Baptist churches are a whole nother ball game. I used to be goaded into going with my friend, I went a few times but the way people did things there kind of disgusted me. I mean how exactly does one learn the word of God by jumping around and wrestling in the social hall, while the adults have sing-a-long for an hour. It just struck me how much Church isn't about religion in some places. It's just important that you know your history (the bible), know the songs, and participate.

Also Gay Church = Gym. Srsly, that's what some Gay people call there Church in CA :P

[Shins]

That is the biggest thing to remember: if you remove religion, it's not just going to leave an empty void; something else would or will step in to occupy the space.

Right now, scientific progress is made above and beyond the masses: if you bring it down to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, you'll get a butchered and bastardized, overly simplified kind of scientific knowledge where no one has any idea what they're saying (how many people do you think can recite "e=mc2," and understand that it's a significant equation, but have no idea why or how it's significant?)

Ask a scientist, rather than someone simply familiar with the principles of science, and you'll get real, concrete answers. Ask a theologian, rather that someone who simply considers themselves religious. and you'll get far more extensive and researched concepts on various religions, their meanings, their reasonings, etc.

The issue is that there's more people in the latter group. Religion gets blamed a lot for slowing down scientific progress, and I'll say that it certainly does hinder things some of the time, but it's not completely that. It's the fact that a lot of people simply don't care to understand things. They're the type of people who quote snatches of the Bible and go to Church, but never question the message, or go into any depth beyond what Pastor Bob says. You'll notice those same people are the ones that just read the chapter in their Biology book, and listen to what Mr. Smith says scientific theories are.

They'll be around either way.


Goddamnit Shins, stop posting. I have so many reps for so many posts to give to you.

Tally marks?

[Napalm]

So that's like 4 now.

[Steve]

I LOEV GOD

[Tingebing]

Okay Religion, here i can say share my wisdom *cough cough*

Okay forst up, basic religions...

When we look at Christianity and Islam and jewish we all see the same text, just in anohter format...

Koran says, you should honor and not harm other.
Bible says, You should love other men..

So, that the same huh...

There are more things like that, i read extracts from both Koran and Old and New testament and found that most parts are clearly the same... So whats the problem if you're into Islam, you believe in the same god as christianity and follow same rules (although they're a bit more strict in rules)... The only difference between Islam and Christianity is the way in wich they interpreted their holy writings... So my final statement is, if you want to believe in something above controlling our lives, giving you zero privacy, wel you have no choice, there is only 1 god, but people call him different names cuz' no-one knows his real one...

Next up, polytheism..

Ooooh... Me like teh polytheisme, i'm not a believer myself but i like the gods like kronos, zeus jupiter aphrodite and venus, the stories around them are marvelous and the way they've seemed to interact is also delicious, zeus killing kronos, pallas athena sprouting from zeus' brain and all... I really like it...

My final decision, believe in teh greek gods, they're 1337 and kewl...


GOD is REAL, Unless declared INTEGER...

[Evonus]

Okay Religion, here i can say share my wisdom *cough cough*

Okay forst up, basic religions...

When we look at Christianity and Islam and jewish we all see the same text, just in anohter format...

Koran says, you should honor and not harm other.
Bible says, You should love other men..

So, that the same huh...

There are more things like that, i read extracts from both Koran and Old and New testament and found that most parts are clearly the same... So whats the problem if you're into Islam, you believe in the same god as christianity and follow same rules (although they're a bit more strict in rules)... The only difference between Islam and Christianity is the way in wich they interpreted their holy writings... So my final statement is, if you want to believe in something above controlling our lives, giving you zero privacy, wel you have no choice, there is only 1 god, but people call him different names cuz' no-one knows his real one...

Next up, polytheism..

Ooooh... Me like teh polytheisme, i'm not a believer myself but i like the gods like kronos, zeus jupiter aphrodite and venus, the stories around them are marvelous and the way they've seemed to interact is also delicious, zeus killing kronos, pallas athena sprouting from zeus' brain and all... I really like it...

My final decision, believe in teh greek gods, they're 1337 and kewl...


GOD is REAL, Unless declared INTEGER...

The ancient greeks and romans were pagans.