If Draft, Then yes?

[Slevin57]

I don't know if any of you live in countries that require mandatory military service or not, but this question really is for everyone

THIS QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT IRAQ

If you were called into service for your country, would you go, or would you try to get out of it?

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[Evonus]

I would try to get out of it. I don't want to suffer and die in a foriegn land for something I probably don't believe in. If it was something that was seriously a threat to the U.S., like Afghanistan, I would make an exception, but besides that, hell no.

[MasterGlitch]

I'm very much against drafting for military service, so I would try to get out of it.
I'm not a pacifist or anything, I just think it's not right to force people into service. It should be voluntary. Of course, there are always exceptions. If World War III were to break out and somehow our military was nearly decimated, and we needed lots of people in the military fast, then okay go ahead and draft people. But it should really only be done in an extreme emergency.

[Slevin57]

I would go if nothing else to see another part of the world. I think it's kind of vain to say I don't have to fight in a war, when since the beginning of civilization all able bodied men are expected to go to war when there country calls. I'm not one of those people that relishes in seeing death and destruction (aka Marine), but I am not any more important than they are so I'm willing to fight beside them for something I believed in. If I didn't believe in it, I would still go and remain critical the entire time (aka bitching until the war ended).

[semiavrage]

Yeah, I most definitely would go. Saying no would be like telling your country to fuck off.

Or perhaps you don't care about the future? Good luck explaining that to your friends and family.

"Yeah, I woulda gone, but I really don't give a flying fuck."

EDIT: Unless the war was retarded, than I'd tell my country to fuck off.

[iLazz 2.0]

It depends. If the Japs were coming to invade us again I would join up. If it was to go and shoot poor sods in Iraq or Lebanon I would not go no matter what.

[Orbixx]

I'd get the hell out of it.

[semiavrage]

It depends. If the Japs were coming to invade us again I would join up. If it was to go and shoot poor sods in Iraq or Lebanon I would not go no matter what.

Yeah, actually, fuck what I said before. Lazz is right.

[Badeballen]

Well, I'm summoned to a physical and mental examination at the 14th which basically means that unless I'm a cripple or psycho there is a good chance I'll be sent into the military :/.

But on the bright side, the chance of getting sent into a war is pretty slim for first year recruits, so I guess it's not all bad.

[Confero]

Whether or not I would go and fight depends on the cause. I would defend my own home or fight a world conquering Islamo-Fascist empire, but as for being enlisted to fight for a moot cause or invade a peon nation, I would have to dodge. The draft is a violation of your right to freedom, one of the worst there is. In World War II, people were fighting to save most of the world as they knew it. There's a big difference between a draft there and in Vietnam. Draft has no place in privatized wars between governments, rebels, and criminals.

[Napalm]

If someone were to attack my country, yes I would go to service immediately.
If someone were to attack USA and a draft came into effect, I'd escape to Canada. Point being: Fuck the USA.

[Evonus]

Whether or not I would go and fight depends on the cause. I would defend my own home or fight a world conquering Islamo-Fascist empire, but as for being enlisted to fight for a moot cause or invade a peon nation, I would have to dodge. The draft is a violation of your right to freedom, one of the worst there is. In World War II, people were fighting to save most of the world as they knew it. There's a big difference between a draft there and in Vietnam. Draft has no place in privatized wars between governments, rebels, and criminals.

The French and British fought in WWII because they were afraid they were next on the list after Poland. The Americans fought because they had greater economic ties with the British and French than with the Germans. Don't let them fool you, the United States didn't go into World War II to save millions of people and defend the free world, their enemies just happened to have very amoral practices that made them look like super heroes.

[Steve]

Even if my country were to employ drafting/coscription I wouldn't have to worry about making the choice on going or staying and retardation has nothing to do with it. Mmm, sexism. No one wants womenz in the military. However, if I were male, I'm torn between it. I'd say it better be one damn good cause or I wouldn't go. I'm not into guns or war and such things. Mmm, peaceful resistance/pacifism.

[biffking]

I would absolutely go. Its like other people have said, if you dont it's like telling your country to "fuck off" Sure I dont necessarily agree with whats going on in Iraq, but what are you going to do? Set back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country. You have to grow some balls sometime and do what needs to be done wether you agree or not.

[forgotten marine]

assuming the motives of the war were somewhat moral id probably go.... but if it were something like... OMGZORZ teh saudis r hoggin all teh oilzors.... then no. i would not go

[cobweb]

If Romania would become involved in a war, i would get my ass over there and enlist (is that the proper word?).

The US, i'm not so sure. I don't feel passionately enough as a member of the country to really want to go, but at the same time since i was little i have wanted to join armed forces. Don't ask me why, it just appealed to me after seeing a commercial on tv. I also want to fly fighter jets. I'd get to do that if there was a draft that called for females also. But at the same time, i'm not sure if i want to give my life for America enough to commit atrocities against others who may not even deserve them. Much different if we're talking for romania.

Only way i'd 100% willingly fight for America was if there was a world war as America and Romania are allied (at least i think they are).

[Shins]

I would absolutely go. Its like other people have said, if you dont it's like telling your country to "fuck off"

And? I care about the people in my country, not the country itself. Patriotism to the extreme where you'll kill for a flag is idiotic. Fight for something more than a symbol.


Sure I dont necessarily agree with whats going on in Iraq, but what are you going to do? Set back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country.

What was possibly going to ruin our country in Iraq? Be specific.



You have to grow some balls sometime and do what needs to be done wether you agree or not.

"Shut up and do it. Don't think about why."

[MasterGlitch]

I would absolutely go. Its like other people have said, if you dont it's like telling your country to "fuck off"

I don't really see anything wrong with that. Why is it required to be a patriotic person? I don't like America, I'm just stuck in it. Any time I tell someone that, they're like "Oh, well then you're totally ungrateful! People come to America from their countries, so be happy you were born here to begin with. And if you don't like it, why don't you just leave then?!"
I just don't get it. I mean, first off, people move to America from impoverished nations where they literally have nothing. I could have been born in Britain and have the same opportunities and everything I have here. You don't see Europeans moving out of their countries to seek a better life or flee some harsh government or economic conditions.
Why am I obligated to feel devoted to a country just because I was born there? It's stupid.

[Crossed]

I'll rather sell my soul to satan then fight some fucked up war for someone that's blown in their heads. I'll only fight my own wars.

[Slevin57]

Bear in mind the American's have a bit of a tainted mind, we haven't had a foreign army on our soil in quite some time.

If any of you UK'ers still have grand parents that were alive during the blitz, I'm quite sure they would tell you different. Having your city on fire every night might change your tune.

There is a conflict, and then there is a war. Iraq is not a war, its a conflict. It doesn't not require the vast majority of our military forces to be activating fighting in battles. [[I only said that because lazz mentioned a draft going to iraq]]

By draft I mean all out war. A war we might actually loose. I respect the opinions of people, but you can call it defending a flag or you can call it defending people. There is no distinction between country and people that are in it. When your very way of life is threatened, as people truly believed during the Cold War, I don't see a reason not to go fight.

[Shins]

but you can call it defending a flag or you can call it defending people. There is no distinction between country and people that are in it.

There is though. If America was corrupted beyond recognition, and another country decided to wage war on it, I would protect my family certainly, but I can see myself not supporting my country. I'd want out, and I'd want them to lose.

That's the problem with blind loyalty to a flag. A country changes. It's important to recognize that change, and not simply ignore it.


When your very way of life is threatened, as people truly believed during the Cold War, I don't see a reason not to go fight.

It depends upon how and why your life is being threatened. If theres comes a day where we truly do live in an "evil empire", well... do you feel bad when the rebels bomb the Death Star in Star Wars, and all those Imperials get blown to hell?

Of course not. They knew what they were in for. They weighed the risks. Choose to stay when you recognize the dangers of your position, and you accept what may come.

[Kryzech]

i love shooting people... but anyways... i hate sports... So no... im too lazy !

[iLazz 2.0]

Whether or not I would go and fight depends on the cause. I would defend my own home or fight a world conquering Islamo-Fascist empire, but as for being enlisted to fight for a moot cause or invade a peon nation, I would have to dodge. The draft is a violation of your right to freedom, one of the worst there is. In World War II, people were fighting to save most of the world as they knew it. There's a big difference between a draft there and in Vietnam. Draft has no place in privatized wars between governments, rebels, and criminals.But you still believe in the threat from "Islamo Fascism"? That is my favourite Murdoch headline since "Headless Body in Topless Bar".

I also wonder if Forgotten Marine has any thought for the millions of Vietnamese slaughtered by the USA. Best keep forgetting about them I suppose. But anyway, he must be Trav.

[NeverSoft]

No I won't go to war far a vast array of reasons

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I have trouble breathing so yeah thats a problem.

Also I disagree with war in general I mean it just seems so retarded, ants have wars and look how stupid they are.

I would not be able to kill someone or even aid someone in killing someone. It is just against my moral system and how I try to live my life.

I think that there is a reason I did not go sign up for the military so they should not try to force me, and force me off to Canada (which I really don't want to have to do).

[Loli]

Why not? Besides Canada slowly turning into America its a nice place to live.

Oh and I'd more than likely go since if a draft was called it would be for a war with North Korea or possibly China (which I doubt). I know enough to Japanese to where I could probably be fluent in less then two months, so I'd more than likely end up working with Japanese forces in some way :P.

[NeverSoft]

Why not? Besides Canada slowly turning into America its a nice place to live.

Oh and I'd more than likely go since if a draft was called it would be for a war with North Korea or possibly China (which I doubt). I know enough to Japanese to where I could probably be fluent in less then two months, so I'd more than likely end up working with Japanese forces in some way :P.

Wahoo I am learning Japanese! Not very quickly may I add.

But the Canada thing was just another one of the popular American jokes that I conform to for the sake of my sanity. They only have a draft for their airforce which is a draft for geese so w.e. :)

[Confero]

I would absolutely go. Its like other people have said, if you dont it's like telling your country to "fuck off" Sure I dont necessarily agree with whats going on in Iraq, but what are you going to do? Set back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country. You have to grow some balls sometime and do what needs to be done wether you agree or not.


Scared to say "fuck off" to the powers at be?

[NeverSoft]

I would absolutely go. Its like other people have said, if you dont it's like telling your country to "fuck off" Sure I dont necessarily agree with whats going on in Iraq, but what are you going to do? Set back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country. You have to grow some balls sometime and do what needs to be done wether you agree or not.
Ok politics time. Fine I will not sit back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country. I am going to say "fuck off" to my country because that would help, now hear me out before you call me unpatriotic or more of that same crap that ROTC kids at school pull on me. The war is fucking ruining us, we should be cutting and running as the Republicans so affectionetly call it. I am not afraid of going to war, I am opposed to it. Going to war is what is ruining our economy and our countries morale overall.

Now maybe if there was a war like WWII where something real was going on that really needs to be stopped I could agree with you more. But lemme tell you something the terrorists from 9/11 wanted us to attack the Middle East. They wanted a war. They wanted us to go into chaos. They won because people like you back up Bush just because he is our leader. We live in this country because people say FUCK OFF to their higher ups.

Back on topic. I would not go to war if I was drafted plzkthxbi.

[biffking]

Ok obviously nobody took the time to read my post. I clearly said that I DO NOT agree with the iraq situation. I said that I would not sit back and just watch and do nothing. Now some of you would like to think I'm talking directly to you, which is not the case. And how the fuck did you manage to get that I back bush by that little bit I posted. Some of you really over analyze too much. The thread starter asked for opinions and I gave mine Thats what I would do, not what I would expect all of you to do.

[Shins]

Sure I dont necessarily agree with whats going on in Iraq, but what are you going to do?

This is the problem: you're stating that you don't agree with what's going on in Iraq, but then follow up that discontent with an apathetic response. I woudn't be so bold as to call you Bush's lap-dog, and that's neither here nor there anyway. The problem is your lack of response. Maybe I'm just not understanding the point you're trying to get across, but from the phrasing and in the overall context of your post, it seems like you'd be content to do what you're told and not question things.

That's the kind of mindset that I have an issue with. It's just no way to tackle life.

[NeverSoft]

Now some of you would like to think I'm talking directly to you, which is not the case.
Yeah I posted not directly toward you through most of my post I commented directly toward you at first then made a general comment about other people.

[Coolguy]

I would get out of it since murder is wrong.

[Phinius Gage]

Since when.:shifty:

[Evonus]

Ok politics time. Fine I will not sit back like a coward and watch what could possibly ruin our country. I am going to say "fuck off" to my country because that would help, now hear me out before you call me unpatriotic or more of that same crap that ROTC kids at school pull on me. The war is fucking ruining us, we should be cutting and running as the Republicans so affectionetly call it. I am not afraid of going to war, I am opposed to it. Going to war is what is ruining our economy and our countries morale overall.

Now maybe if there was a war like WWII where something real was going on that really needs to be stopped I could agree with you more. But lemme tell you something the terrorists from 9/11 wanted us to attack the Middle East. They wanted a war. They wanted us to go into chaos. They won because people like you back up Bush just because he is our leader. We live in this country because people say FUCK OFF to their higher ups.

Back on topic. I would not go to war if I was drafted plzkthxbi.

rofl, Iraq =/= Afghanistan

Bush could have stopped after Afghanistan and everyone would've loved him, but nope, he had to push his luck.

[Slevin57]

*shoots people sterring this toward the dead end of Iraq*

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The evil empire debate is fine, but let's face it the majority of people never think their side is the wrong side to be on. As far as terrorists are concerned we are those imperials on the death star and there is no reason to feel sorry for us.

Of course you want to protect your family first and foremost, hence the civil war practice of families fighting together, but without some kind of government, some kind of organization your family cannot possibly fight off an entire army. But what about the people that can't fight? The old, the sick, or people that are just plain alone. Human nature dictates that we would leave those people to die and save ourselves.

But that doesn't make it any more the right thing to do. At least with some form of country (government) we can organize people to fight against an enemy and save those unable to fight.

But then again, it doesn't look like many countries are on the brink of collapse like the situation were describing is. It's a bit of a doomsday scenario.

[Shins]

but let's face it the majority of people never think their side is the wrong side to be on.

And that's usually because of the blind patriotism we're seeing: you don't see beyond the flag: you start to look at the world in blacks and whites, and things get very hairy, because you cling to the idea that you must always be right. It's understandable, even forgivable, but also avoidable.


Of course you want to protect your family first and foremost, hence the civil war practice of families fighting together, but without some kind of government, some kind of organization your family cannot possibly fight off an entire army.

Without an overarching country to attack, it also becomes difficult for any enemy to "beat" or "win" over another: just look at the war on terror. How are we to gauge our progress in any immediate or direct fashion? The lack of unification means our sharpened sword can't simply cut one jugular. There's not one head, but hundreds or thousands of them. It's quite the hydra.


But what about the people that can't fight? The old, the sick, or people that are just plain alone. Human nature dictates that we would leave those people to die and save ourselves. But that doesn't make it any more the right thing to do.

Right or wrong have little place in a warzone. The questions of morality creep in during times of peace and logic. Yes, it's a horrible thing that they'll be left to die, but as you'll see below, it could easily happen anyway.


At least with some form of country (government) we can organize people to fight against an enemy and save those unable to fight.

If the situation is truly at the disaster level though, the sick and elderly are the most expendable. They'll be the unfortunate but all too acceptable causalities. If we need to ration food, we'll be giving it to the healthy, to keep them healthy. Same with medicine.


But then again, it doesn't look like many countries are on the brink of collapse like the situation were describing is. It's a bit of a doomsday scenario.

Fun with hypotheticals!

[Slevin57]

I can't keep arguing hypothetical philosophical situations in the face of a realistic war.

Damn your lofty thoughts :P.

[NeverSoft]

I would get out of it since murder is wrong.

thank you. That pretty much sums it up from where I am standing.

Murder is murder wheather or not it is for a just cause, and you don't murder unless you REALLY have to. Wars and conflicts now a days tends to not be worth murdering for.

[Slevin57]

Famous Quote time: The only place killing isn't murder is during war.