Equality?

[Marlin]

Are all human's created equally as we so boldy state in our Declaration of Independence? Or are we all victims of our environment?

[nuke]

We were all created equal, but the black man wasnt free to live. but for the slavers, do they think they are greater now? We should all be equal under this one sun.

[Slevin57]

We may all be created equal, but we are obviously not all equal. Everyone is not the same, total equality is impossible and unnatural. However, we do establish that everyone deserves equal protection under the law and its civil liberties.

[Marlin]

We were all created equal, but the black man wasnt free to live. but for the slavers, do they think they are greater now? We should all be equal under this one sun. fixed


Thank you for enlightening us to the depth of your idiocy. I think we are all better for reading the drivel that you seem to pass off as a post.

[Steve]

Er. Is your two-sentence long rant aimed at that quote you posted? Or someone who posted above? It really looks like you were unleashing some hostility upon Slevin57 there..

Anyway. No one's equal, and some people are less or more equal than others. BE TEE DOUBLEYOU: I'm not American, so I can't really say anything about living in America and following this Declaration of Independence. But I'm sure if I were American I'd say we're not all as equal as we'd like to hope.

That and you should find out things about cool places like Canada. Yeah.

[nuke]

Sry bout that forgot it was serious. Good luck on 1337.com Marlin

[Marlin]

Off topic: sorry nuke kinda exploded

On Topic: Are we all really equal under the law? What about racial profiling? What about International law? Are we all equal there?

[nuke]

Probably not. On all those cop shows they put black people as the prime. Also they cover up for certain people. Like Paul Martin's son got partially covered up for the scam. but luckally we caught them

[Shins]

Through the law, America attempts to have some level of basic equality. It's a long way from perfect, but the intention is there. The problem is that it's true: we're not all equal. Some people are more well off than others. Some are smarter. Some are dumber. There's no such thing as a completely unbiased person, so an unbiased jury is equally impossible. We do try though.

[Napalm]

Shins is right. He get lots of love from me.
Cos the fact is, we're not equal. Regardless what the Decleration of Independence stated.

[forgotten marine]

the problem with the current laws about equality is that some people just dont freakin care. There are age old tradition and deep seeded hatred for many ethnic and religious groups out there... its not just a problem in america too, only 60 years ago an entire religious population in europe was nearly wiped out..... and as sad as it is i dont think that equality will every be reached on a global, or even national scale simply because of the out dated traditions and close-minded people.

[Shins]

You have to keep in mind that we're all close-minded in some ways, though: idealists of free thought can be just as terrifying as any bigot in power, because they're the ones that attempt to make everyone equal by force. I don't know about you, but peace by the sword is not something I want (this is actually discussed more in the topic about world peace, so I won't go any further on it here).

Think Harrison Bergeron, or Fahrenheit 451. That's where the ideal of total equality will get you if you take it to its ultimate and most extreme conclusion. It's quite horrible.

[Wo1ke]

What kind of question is that? Of course we are unequal! Look at all the things mearly our genetics decide; life expectancy, intellect, strengh, height, looks, health! A person with bad genetics is unlikely to be as successfull as one who was lucky from before his birth! And, obviously we are vicrims of enviornment, because enviornemt determines not only our genetics, but also what skills we learn, how we learn them, and how we use them! The US constitution never meaningly claims that all people are equal, it merely states that all men should be treated equally in matters of law, and should be given the same opportunities.

[Hacky]

Women: They make up a majority of the world, yet they still consider themselves a minority.

Racial Profiling: There is no solution that doesn't only cause more racial profiling.
Think for instance, a certain police officer pulls over 30% black people, in an area where only 10% of the population is black. He could get sued blamed for racial profiling, but how could he solve it?

Well the simple answer is pull over less black people, right? Well in order to do that, he has to know whether or not the person driving is black or not. And once he knows that, he has to decide: "Well, I've already pulled over one black guy for the 7 White guys so far, so I have to pull over at least two more white people before I can pull over another black person".
How is that not racial profiling?

Added to the fact that genetically, different people are different though we try to claim equality. Take the fact, for instance, that there is a part of the brain which connects the right half to the left, it's accountable for multi-tasking and thinking on higher levels (Multiple things at once). Men have one, where as women have five.

Consider also that there are drugs that work better for black people than they do for white people. In addition, black people have a higher heart rate/blood pressure, in white males it'd be considered dangerous, but for a black man it's normal.




Now, are we equal legally? Well, we are supposed to be, but a jury of our peers is always hard to find. Everybody has a bias in some way against every little thing, in a court of law anything can detirmine the outcome. Dressing well for instance will make people think better of you, where as slouching and having bad posture will make them think worse, and thus more likely to vote against.

What I find repulsive is there is an actual "science" of criminal profiling. I think it's bullshit, all it is, is stereotypes, and anybody who's gone to high school knows what kind of crap stereotypes are.

[Evonus]

What I find repulsive is there is an actual "science" of criminal profiling. I think it's bullshit, all it is, is stereotypes, and anybody who's gone to high school knows what kind of crap stereotypes are.

Actually, I've found most nonracial stereotypes to be right on target.

[Hacky]

Actually, I've found most nonracial stereotypes to be right on target.

I have a goth friend. If put infront of a "criminal proflier" they would accuse him 100% of being a murder over anybody else, based purly off the movies he watches, the art he enjoys, and the way he dresses.

I know him and his personality, he is quite possibly one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

Criminal profiling is bullshit. They consider things like what movies you watch, judging based on movies like "Saw" or "Devil's Rejects" makes you more likely to be a voilent person, when realistically a VAST majority of the population has watched one of those movies.

You say it's "right on target", that means it'd be right 100% of the time, which is moronic. I bet you could profile the debate squad at my high school for being druggies, but that doesn't mean I am.

[Slevin57]

Are all human's created equally as we so boldy state in our Declaration of Independence? Or are we all victims of our environment?

It's also important to point out that the Declaration of Independence was a legal brief. Jefferson said this himself.

So, all people are equal before the law. Which I agree with.

[mwknowles92]

Yes

[Evonus]

I have a goth friend. If put infront of a "criminal proflier" they would accuse him 100% of being a murder over anybody else, based purly off the movies he watches, the art he enjoys, and the way he dresses.

I know him and his personality, he is quite possibly one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

Criminal profiling is bullshit. They consider things like what movies you watch, judging based on movies like "Saw" or "Devil's Rejects" makes you more likely to be a voilent person, when realistically a VAST majority of the population has watched one of those movies.

I went through high school too. When I came in most of my friends were neighborhood guys, and I grew up in the poor neighborhood. So many of my friends were Gothic and/or gangster, and you know what, most of them did steal and were druggies. It was about 1/5 that didn't. As I went through HS and took honors and AP classes and met all of the kids that dressed like normal human beings and didn't carve things into their arms, they committed many fewer crimes as a whole. about 1/3 of them did marijuana and drank underage, as opposed to the 4/5 of the goths I knew who all of them did drugs and 4/5 of them had already been to Juvenal hall for one crime or another.

Point being, some circle socials are more prone to criminal activity, be it based on income or sheer rebelliousness, and I've experienced it first hand.


You say it's "right on target", that means it'd be right 100% of the time, which is moronic. I bet you could profile the debate squad at my high school for being druggies, but that doesn't mean I am.

I didn't say it's right 100% of the time, what I meant by that is it's usually a good indicator of where to look. Stereotypes do have a firm root in reality usually.