Environment!

[Slevin57]

Where do you guys stand on the Environment?

Global Warming? hoax? serious bizness?

[Spanky Ham]

Well up here in Australia we are getting some pretty strange weather...well according to the news not where i am though. Global warming is happening and we are all royally screwed...try telling the world leaders to sacrifice a bit of the economy for the environment....not...gonna...happen. Only chance we have is a carbon tax but that proably won't be put in fast enough so we are stuffed there too. Too much money in carbon based fuels...trying to make them change is like telling George Bush to destroy all of his nuclear weapons. So we can change but i reackon it will be too little too late...kthxbai

[Napalm]

I see the enviroment as a business about to go bankrupt. Fortunately, I won't be there when it does, so I don't even bother to do anything about it.

[Confero]

I enjoy the planet I live on, I love to travel and going all over the place is one of my dreams. I can't do much individually to stop global warming or save the environment, but I can support the ideas and remain aware of problems. I'd like to live a healthy, productive life and the planet we live on seems worthy of the same. Humans are the only animals who trash the planet.


I see the enviroment as a business about to go bankrupt. Fortunately, I won't be there when it does, so I don't even bother to do anything about it.

People who think like this would be (and hopefully will be) the first to go when and if the environment goes bankrupt.

[Napalm]

Unfortunately for you, I'll be long gone when the environment goes bankrupt.

[Confero]

Drat!1

I think we'd all be long gone when it's time for a catastrophe.

[Napalm]

That's exactly why I said this. The environment would be something I'd like to take care of, but the responsibility for that is enormous. I don't want to do any of that, and frankly I owe the generations to come nothing. They can kiss my ass and hug trees and all that shit.

[Slevin57]

I think we should kill Napalm and build an environmentally friendly home on top of him.

[Napalm]

The putrid vengeance from my corpse would turn that environmentally house into one of those horror-flick houses that kill people.

[Evonus]

Fuck the environment. It's an over hyped problem, and even if it wasn't, it isn't my problem.

[Slevin57]

Well I take a micro approach to it. I have no doubt that the earth will repair whatever damage to her we have done. The earth isn't going anywhere, WE are, but the earth isn't.

The only thing I'm really environmentally conscious of is littering. But that's probably because I can't stand to see litter everywhere.

[mwknowles92]

I think global warming is a very serious issue that is happening.
I also happen to care what happens to future generations.
I don't exactly want my grandkids dying from acid rain (pollution) or having heat strokes every other day (global warming).
I think there are too many politicians that would rather advance their careers than anything else, namely global warming.
Because of that it becomes harder for other people that do care to get anything done in this matter, because we can't get proper funding and backing and such for it.

I don't think hydrogen is going to go very far personally. Even though it's the most abundant element on the planet just about, it costs way too much money to get the hydrogen molecules separated from the compound that they're in.
Electric and solar are the way to go.
Lithium-ion sucks though. I forget what it's called but a new electric battery technology was developed, and it's supposed to be cheaper and better.
Solar energy isn't efficient enough for what it costs at this time.
Right now scientists are working on using lasers to make a fusion reaction that might be able to give us near infinite energy. That won't come for many years though.

[s33r]

Global warming is real and it's already affecting our weather. Here in New York, we've already had a tornado and a freak OCTOBER snowstorm that did hundreds of thousands in damage and killed three people, respectively. New York is not a place that gets tornadoes or out-of-season blizzards. And changes in weather conditions happen gradually, over thousands of years, not within a decade. Something's wrong. And the most obvious answer is global warming.

[Evonus]

Global warming is real and it's already affecting our weather. Here in New York, we've already had a tornado and a freak OCTOBER snowstorm that did hundreds of thousands in damage and killed three people, respectively. New York is not a place that gets tornadoes or out-of-season blizzards. And changes in weather conditions happen gradually, over thousands of years, not within a decade. Something's wrong. And the most obvious answer is global warming.

Stop making out there predictions, there is no scientific proof it has anything to do with global warming. New Hampshire got hit with a tornado in 1960, on the day my dad was born. It doesn't happen very often there either. Sometimes extreme weather conditions happen, it doesn't mean it necessarily have anything to do with humanity. Post some real proof next time.

[Shins]

I recycle and try not to litter, and if it's feasible, I'll make my next car a hybrid. Beyond small stuff like that, I'm not really active, nor do I know much beyond the general idea of global warming and pollution.

It is true that since I'll be dead before the effects really start piling up, I lack a lot of stamina to take a bigger part in things.

[Crossed]

We are all gone when enviromental catastrofe comes but atleast let's go try extend the time before we all stands in enviromental deep shit :D

[Badeballen]

Well the scientific consensus is that global warming is a very real problem (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Alternative_theories)), and I do believe that scientists have allot more to say on the subject than any populist politician ever will.

[Evonus]

Wikipedia? Come on, that's good for basic explanations, but if you seriously want to prove something post a real scientific article.

[Mooters]

We're fucked I saw.

[Crossed]

We're fucked I saw.

in short words. yeah (around a couple generations later ofcourse)

[Badeballen]

Wikipedia? Come on, that's good for basic explanations, but if you seriously want to prove something post a real scientific article.

Further reading :).

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=86

The main points that most would agree on as "the consensus" are:
The earth is getting warmer (0.6 +/- 0.2 oC in the past century; 0.1 0.17 oC/decade over the last 30 years (see update)) [ch 2]
People are causing this [ch 12] (see update)
If GHG emissions continue, the warming will continue and indeed accelerate [ch 9]
(This will be a problem and we ought to do something about it)

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/

Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis is the most comprehensive and up-to-date scientific assessment of past, present and future climate change. The report:
Analyses an enormous body of observations of all parts of the climate system.
Catalogues increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases.
Assesses our understanding of the processes and feedbacks which govern the climate system.
Projects scenarios of future climate change using a wide range of models of future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols.
Makes a detailed study of whether a human influence on climate can be identified.
Suggests gaps in information and understanding that remain in our knowledge of climate change and how these might be addressed.

Simply put, this latest assessment of the IPCC will again form the standard scientific reference for all those concerned with climate change and its consequences, including students and researchers in environmental science, meteorology, climatology, biology, ecology and atmospheric chemistry, and policymakers in governments and industry worldwide.

[Evonus]

Thank you for providing actual proof, I must now venture to find counter points.