America - The Ultimate Enemy of Democracy

[Communistpeople]

When i look on the world i see one thing. Misery. Sure, in a few places, most/all people are happy as fx. Denmark (mee), sweden (Who with out the prosperetive Facist party of denmark is a better place), and norway (just generaly rock. Rich assholes. They stole our oil :P)(Becouse of the wellfare states), and Cuba (the abselute No.1. And its NOT a dictatorship. Thats propaganda). Most other places, Half to more of the population is starving, of cough in slavery. In fackt, America is the no.1 place in the world for slavery. Even thoug is a "Know fact"(no way) they America is the "home of the free", and "Defender of Democracy", "Anyone can become president in America. All it takes is hard work.

Thats just all a load of bullshit.

Let me give you a quick bio of America

#1
Not under ANY circumstanses Democratic. As the word Democracy steems from atient greek, and litteraly means "peoplerule" America is per. defination NOT democratic.
In America, the entire contry is rule by a small elite. White, rich, old bastards. (sadly my dad is among those types. Rot in hell dad)'
Cus' in America not anyone can become a president.
you need to be rich. VERY rich. And just becoming electable is a near to immposible task, if you are, black, a Communist, a woman, Ect.

Cus' in America, Democracy is not what is says. There are only two electable parties. Which means, the people can't wote for someone with their opinios, but only for the same party, with differenct names, and some few pointless diffrences.
In a real democracy, ANYONE is electable. The goverment is formed by the persons with the most votes, even if they don't share party's. It work great.
A such system the goverment wound represent the opinion of the people. Not of the some old capitalist fucks.

#2 For some reason obsesed with war and dead.
America was build upon the corpses of the dead Natives, (the REAL americans), and they kept this bloody tradition for ages. They still are like that.
Anyone that is unwilling to be a puppet of America are Facist, or Communist (like thats a insult :D ) and must have their entire population murdered, all they natural resources stolen, and some American terrorist orginisation as goverment. Then its all fine and "Democratic".

#3
and of course the most Racistic contry in the world. With the, sad, possible ecception of my denmark *Cryes slowly*

#4
Decided to hate canada. A contry far superior to them.

[Confero]

I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about, mostly because you don't live in America. I used to think I was a communist to, but the trendiness wore off.

Your point number three is a joke. America isn't the most racist country in the world. You can look to places like Bosnia, Serbia, or the Middle East for that. America is divided racially by class, but that doesn't represent racism in the citizens minds or daily lives.

I could smash every point you've made here, but I'll leave you with this blurb I've written in the past instead.

Democracy remains unfair. It is unlike other forms of dictatorship because rather then there be a small ruling party, there is a majority ruling class. There is no limit to what the majority can decide, and the majority can be 51% while the minority is 49%. A minority dictatorship would have to fear the people of their nation. A majority dictatorship does not have to fear the people, since they majority of them make up the ruling class. Those that suffer the most under a democracy are the minorities. The smaller the group, the less say they have in policy. But majority and minority change with each issue or policy. Everyone finds themselves as part of the minority at some point. But since the majority rule, the government has no fear of rebellion to circumscribe their actions.

[Badeballen]

norway (just generaly rock. Rich assholes. They stole our oil :P)
Well you did steal Greenland, oh wait roflolololol.

[Communistpeople]

Ok, yea we did "Steal" greenland, but they rule themself. And what do you wan't greenland for anyways?

[Badeballen]

And what do you wan't greenland for anyways?
Well that was kinda what the "oh wait roflolololol." was for :clap: .

[Steve]

#4
Decided to hate canada. A contry far superior to them.

I want to give them that. That Canada is a COUNTRY far superior. But that's only because it's a statement that's so very, very true. Hah.

Okay. Democracy, like communism is a theory. It's not perfect in practice in any country that practices it. America is also, a two-party, capitalist-democratic nation. Not just a democracy.

A lot of other countries are built upon the murder of "Natives" (I'm assuming to be those "native" to the country originally, not "Indians"). Not just America, Canada is also one, and perhaps Brazil and Mexico, or New Zealand and Australia. Just depends on when and whom they were occupied by.

And, if by chance someone DID try to become President, it really would be a matter of hardwork. Raising funds and finding sponsors are something all prospective "Presidents" have to do. But there's also background checks and numerous other aspects. There are laws&rules. I'm not completely clear on all of them, not being American and not really wanting to read up on their entire legal system.

It's just coincidence that most of the Presidents are rich white men who've been influenced by other rich white men before them. Man, I hate rich white men..

The world would be a better place if people would stop thinking about the past, and start preparing for the future.

[Hacky]

America is a democracy. It's called a representitive democracy. Look it up.

America tries to pay the native Americans back on a regular basis. Anybody who is 1/16th or more Native American gets free College. Also, many native Americans have gotten dozens to hundreds of acres of land back.

In addition, people try to insult America for forcing Japan to give Russia their land back long ago when the Japanese conquered most of Russia. And then turn around and America for conquering the Native Americans. Which is it? Is it fair to gain land by force or not?

Oh yeah, that's right, America is doing it, so it's wrong no matter what.

Did you know that if both the president and vice president were to be killed, a woman would be the president?
I guess you didn't.
Yeah, we have the first ever female house speaker as of the last elections.

Did you also know that as of these last elections we have our first ever muslim senator? That he got his Democratic position without spending a single penny on TV ads?

Or how about the fact that we're only known for being racist, becuase we're so racially diverse. So there is more option for the problems to arise. Go to any other country, and you will not see nearly as equal ratios as you do in America. Sure, it's a majority white, but that doesn't mean that there aren't more black in America than in Britian, or Germany. That's why there's a race problem, because it is so diverse that there is more of a clash.

Hate Canada? Since when? I mean, I don't ever recall the US saying that nobody can leave the US and go to Canada.

Cuba is a dictatorship. It was ruled by Castro. If you have evidence to prove it other than your own conspiracy theories, then show me.

How is America home to slavery? Show me. Slavery is a bit illegal here in America, and if you're talking about outsourcing, then you've got one hell of a skewed perspective of what represents America.

We don't like communists. But we don't hate them anymore either. America will never run on a communist government. Because we are free to live as we want, and communism obscures that.

Communism is great as an idea, but no person is pure, absolute power corrupts absolutely. If America were to become communist, then we would, as you say, become ruled by the Rich White Males.

[Slevin57]

When i look on the world i see one thing. Misery. Sure, in a few places, most/all people are happy as fx. Denmark (mee), sweden (Who with out the prosperetive Facist party of denmark is a better place), and norway (just generaly rock. Rich assholes. They stole our oil :P)(Becouse of the wellfare states), and Cuba (the abselute No.1. And its NOT a dictatorship. Thats propaganda). Most other places, Half to more of the population is starving, of cough in slavery. In fackt, America is the no.1 place in the world for slavery. Even thoug is a "Know fact"(no way) they America is the "home of the free", and "Defender of Democracy", "Anyone can become president in America. All it takes is hard work.

As an American Citizen, I can tell you the only place I feel like a slave, or not free would be the Department of Motor Vehicles.


#1
Not under ANY circumstanses Democratic. As the word Democracy steems from atient greek, and litteraly means "peoplerule" America is per. defination NOT democratic.
In America, the entire contry is rule by a small elite. White, rich, old bastards. (sadly my dad is among those types. Rot in hell dad)'
Cus' in America not anyone can become a president.
you need to be rich. VERY rich. And just becoming electable is a near to immposible task, if you are, black, a Communist, a woman, Ect.

The Greek's only allowed land owning male citizens to vote. So yes, your right America is not a democracy under the Greek system. Democracy as defined by my handy dictionary is a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.


Cus' in America, Democracy is not what is says. There are only two electable parties. Which means, the people can't wote for someone with their opinios, but only for the same party, with differenct names, and some few pointless diffrences.
In a real democracy, ANYONE is electable. The goverment is formed by the persons with the most votes, even if they don't share party's. It work great.
A such system the goverment wound represent the opinion of the people. Not of the some old capitalist fucks.

Since your being purely basic, anyone can be elected, it's called a write in vote. We have an electoral college because unlike Greece, America is many city-states, not just one. If we let the popular vote win, the people in the middle of our country would be completely disadvantage as they are much fewer than our coastal states.

Technically everyone with a job, or anyone that has ever bought anything in the United States, is a capitalist.


#2 For some reason obsesed with war and dead.
America was build upon the corpses of the dead Natives, (the REAL americans), and they kept this bloody tradition for ages. They still are like that.
Anyone that is unwilling to be a puppet of America are Facist, or Communist (like thats a insult :D ) and must have their entire population murdered, all they natural resources stolen, and some American terrorist orginisation as goverment. Then its all fine and "Democratic".

Communism Choices
1. Die
2. Agree
3. Leave

So if America was communist....we would have killed the Indians anyway. If we were facist we would have cut the choices down to two, Agree or Die.



#3
and of course the most Racistic contry in the world. With the, sad, possible ecception of my denmark *Cryes slowly*

I think you mean most racially diverse country in the world, because for some reason since our inception, people have been coming here for FREEDOM.


#4
Decided to hate canada. A contry far superior to them.

We don't hate Canada, I love Canada. They have beer and they have hockey. That's all anyone ever needs.

As for our overall "brutality", I'm sorry, I don't recall any of our presidents killing 73 million citizens, just because they didn't agree with them. (Communist Russia - Stalin). Or 11 million China under Mao Tse Tung, or 2 million in Cambodia...need I go on?

So as a representative of the United States of America, please shut the fuck up.

[Shins]

Communistpeople, I have a friend I'd like you to meet. His name is Lazz... I think you'll get along swimmingly.

[Napalm]

I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about, mostly because you don't live in America. I used to think I was a communist to, but the trendiness wore off.

Your point number three is a joke. America isn't the most racist country in the world. You can look to places like Bosnia, Serbia, or the Middle East for that.
Excuse me...what the fuck do you know about Bosnia, Serbia, or the Middle East?
@thread starter, you are not a communist...you are a stupid kid that fell into a stupid american fad. You are a pinko commie. Please learn your shit and repost.

[Slevin57]

I'm guessing the ethnic cleaning in Serbia and Bosnia. I'd say that qualifies in the realm of racism.

Middle East....Well I would say they are more prejudice against women than racist. despite evidence to the contrary (Terrorists) Islam teaches peace and acceptance of all people (willing to become Islamic :P).

[Evonus]

Go back to Russia!

[Darkraptor]

Wow I guess that idea was shut down. One last point, If communism could do as they said they could, why hasn't it ever worked. It's because people are naturally greedy, and even if a leader may put his greed aside and be a good leader, someone else will want that power and find a way to take it from them. How do you think Hitler came into power. Communism doesnt work because the government has too much power. With too much power come corruption.

[Napalm]

I'm guessing the ethnic cleaning in Serbia and Bosnia. I'd say that qualifies in the realm of racism.

Middle East....Well I would say they are more prejudice against women than racist. despite evidence to the contrary (Terrorists) Islam teaches peace and acceptance of all people (willing to become Islamic :P).

Right. Take media's word for it, but when a native tells you...he's either ignorant, nationalistic, or wrong. :thumup:
Good job.

[Slevin57]

See: Germans

See: Jews

German Citizens didn't know what hitler was doing to the jews either.

I made that statement because its been confirmed by the media, as well as published government intelligence. Oh, and pictures, there pretty convincing.

[Confero]

Alright, now I have time to sit down and reply to the original post.



When i look on the world i see one thing. Misery. Sure, in a few places, most/all people are happy as fx. Denmark (mee), sweden (Who with out the prosperetive Facist party of denmark is a better place), and norway (just generaly rock. Rich assholes. They stole our oil :P)(Becouse of the wellfare states), and Cuba (the abselute No.1. And its NOT a dictatorship. Thats propaganda). Most other places, Half to more of the population is starving, of cough in slavery. In fackt, America is the no.1 place in the world for slavery. Even thoug is a "Know fact"(no way) they America is the "home of the free", and "Defender of Democracy", "Anyone can become president in America. All it takes is hard work.

Thats just all a load of bullshit.

You are right in saying that's a load of bullshit. All of what you have proposed is either a mass exaggeration or a fantasy. The world is in much better condition now then it ever has been, which it would not be had it been handed over to the previous failures of communism. I'm willing to admit most of the past "communist" governments have failed to emulate and even address the economic and aesthetic ideas of communism. Denmark and The United States both have a very high standard of living. Cuba is a collectivist dictatorship. Though it isn't real communism, it's an oligarchy and socialism is forced onto the population.


I won't deny there being sweatshops or even poor working conditions in America, but to claim that slavery is highest there is asinine. There is no more sweatshop or slave labor left in America because it has all been exported to third world countries such as China, Mexico, Pakistan, Venezuela, Honduras, and Vietnam. Need proof? Look on the labels of what you purchase.


How could America not be "land of the free"? It's the most free nation to ever exist! In Europe, freedom of speech is barely viable. In your country, Denmark, racism in speech, press, or event is a crime as it is in Germany and others. (If I am wrong, correct me). The United States gives it's citizens the right to vote, free speech, religion, and all of those goodies. It's in every way a free country.


Let me give you a quick bio of America
#1
Not under ANY circumstanses Democratic. As the word Democracy steems from atient greek, and litteraly means "peoplerule" America is per. defination NOT democratic.
In America, the entire contry is rule by a small elite. White, rich, old bastards. (sadly my dad is among those types. Rot in hell dad)'
Cus' in America not anyone can become a president.
you need to be rich. VERY rich. And just becoming electable is a near to immposible task, if you are, black, a Communist, a woman, Ect.

Cus' in America, Democracy is not what is says. There are only two electable parties. Which means, the people can't wote for someone with their opinios, but only for the same party, with differenct names, and some few pointless diffrences.
In a real democracy, ANYONE is electable. The goverment is formed by the persons with the most votes, even if they don't share party's. It work great.
A such system the goverment wound represent the opinion of the people. Not of the some old capitalist fucks.


Everyone has the right to vote, and everyone has a say in both local and federal government. Way to stereotype the entire government as a bunch of Neo Conservatives and completely ignore the fact there is a federal, state, and local government all elected by citizens.


#2 For some reason obsesed with war and dead.
America was build upon the corpses of the dead Natives, (the REAL americans), and they kept this bloody tradition for ages. They still are like that.
Anyone that is unwilling to be a puppet of America are Facist, or Communist (like thats a insult :D ) and must have their entire population murdered, all they natural resources stolen, and some American terrorist orginisation as goverment. Then its all fine and "Democratic".

Give me some other nations that stack up to America that have no history of genocide, brutality, massacre, etc.



#3
and of course the most Racistic contry in the world. With the, sad, possible ecception of my denmark *Cryes slowly*

More like the most non-racist country in the world, asshole. There are Nazis in Europe, too. Classism separates people racially in America (most unfortunately), though that is far from good reason to claim it's three hundred million citizens are racist, or even the majority is. I recently voted for two black politicians who won local to me.


#4
Decided to hate canada. A contry far superior to them.

Uh...There's no evidence at all to support that. Canada welcomes American military deserters, and the relationships is till good. There is no fence between the two countries, like there is with Mexico.

Your four idiotic reasons barely support why America would be "The Ultimate Enemy of Democracy", when Democracy is a dictatorship in itself?

[System_Zero]

This thread is by far the most retarded pile of shit, written by a douche who has no clue how things happen and work.

[Mooters]

Oh, this reminds me when I got those idiotic messages from some stupid YTMND user.


You havnt madea single site for me to downvote, mainly because you are american. see americans have this problem its called, having no imagination, and they, iof course, look to the rest of the world for their entertainment, just like you, clver young boy *ruffles hair*" - Snah

I replied back, stating that I was mexican.

here was his reply.


Fair enough, stupid unimaginative Mexican. - Snah

Racism is every where, not only in america. everywhere.

[Evonus]

This thread is by far the most retarded pile of shit, written by a douche who has no clue how things happen and work.

:worship:

[Darkraptor]

I love how he hasn't posted back to defend his statements.

[MasterGlitch]

I love how he hasn't posted back to defend his statements.

It's because his entire post was complete uninformed bullshit and he knows it.

[TDD]

I love how he hasn't posted back to defend his statements.
Yeah, he ran away with his tail between his legs. And I didn't even get to talk.

[Communistpeople]

Excuse me...what the fuck do you know about Bosnia, Serbia, or the Middle East?
@thread starter, you are not a communist...you are a stupid kid that fell into a stupid american fad. You are a pinko commie. Please learn your shit and repost.

Sir, i AM a communist. I have spent a long time, learning about the different idiologies, and after being a socialist for about 1 year, i have found the path thats right for me, and become a communist. i have not declared myself a communist for the "Coolness factor" of it. In fact, most people in denmark think i am stupid. reasoning "it will never work", and so on. What most people don't realise, is that communism is NOT something you just jump into. And that the soviet union, were stalinistik most of the time. Exept when ruled by, Gorbacjev, Lenin, and a few other exeptions. I do not by any mean like China, og call the communistik, og even socialistik. They are on their path, but still haven't realised that freedom, and democracy are ecential to communism, or socialisme.

And i am not only a communist on web forums. I am a decared communist, and i am not afreid to tell anyone. The red flag is hangin on my walls. I am a communist and proud of it.

back to "its not just something you rush into".

The people who originaly planed communism, (marx, engel) made up a order of it all.

First you must have the revolution, where the capitalists, are kicked out, and a new ruling body is build. Under this face, you will experiance "The dictatorship of the proletariat", meaning that the working class will be the dictators, of the other classes, as they far outnumber then, and any democracit election will be in favor of them.

Then we will move onto the phase of socialisme.
In this face, there will be a state, as the people will direktly elect the prime minister, president ect. He will manage the will of the people, and before any major desition is made, an election will be heldt. So the people will have to go to elections every ½ year. (its not that much people).

The phase of true communism, will ocur after a about 100 years.
The people will now know their own best interest, and there will be no need for a ruleing body, as the people will manage themselfs, and whoever holds the office of fx. taxes, will manage that, to the best of his ability. if one jumps into communism to early, someone is bound to take power, and build a stalinistisk, maoistik, ect. rule, and the people will suffer from it.

This is how it is done. Any other metod, will result in chaos.

Cuba is currently in the phase of socialist.
And is NOT a dictatorship.
One of my teachers, who also studied, on a danish university, went to cuba and lived there for 4 years, to study their political system. She later, upon returning, declared that the system is NOT that of a dictatorship, but the people merly like fidel, and therefore he gets to stay in office. Of course, they wont ALL like him, but cuba is in the "Dictatorship of the proletatie" phase right now, so they will have to live with that.

[Communistpeople]

And the only reason i haven't posted back, is cus' i have a load of homework.

[Communistpeople]

Go back to Russia!

No way. i don't like russia, and historicaly they have't been communistik. (all the time)
They were stalinistik, but in the end, things were getting better. With Gorbacjevs help, that is.

[Communistpeople]

Wow I guess that idea was shut down. One last point, If communism could do as they said they could, why hasn't it ever worked. It's because people are naturally greedy, and even if a leader may put his greed aside and be a good leader, someone else will want that power and find a way to take it from them. How do you think Hitler came into power. Communism doesnt work because the government has too much power. With too much power come corruption.

Look sir, you REALLY need to study more. With communism, there isn't any goverment. How can the people steal from itself?

[Communistpeople]

[QUOTE=Dustin;322521]Alright, now I have time to sit down and reply to the original post.

How could America not be "land of the free"? It's the most free nation to ever exist! In Europe, freedom of speech is barely viable. In your country, Denmark, racism in speech, press, or event is a crime as it is in Germany and others. (If I am wrong, correct me). The United States gives it's citizens the right to vote, free speech, religion, and all of those goodies. It's in every way a free country.


I hereby correct you. In denmark, freedom of speach is VERY important, almost the most important thing to us. In denmark, people like Pia kærsgård (the leader of the facist party), and Abu Laban (An extremist muslim) get to say their opinios out loud. True, with the new "Anti-terror" laws, thing like suporting the PFLP as i do, has become unsafe, but noone has ever been punished for it, in Denmark, Cus' we walu freedom of speach so much. They once tryed, but the court house was swarmed by protesters, and they never got there, and had to let him go.

Yes, racism is a crime, but thats not putting a stop to democracy. Racism is. If someone is alowed to say "Dead to all niggers" then someone will try to stop him/her from saying it, and vice versa. However, if you don't say things like that, you ARE alowed to say that fx. all arabs shoud be sent home, AT ONCE. In fact, thats what the DF (dansk folkeparti (meaning the danish peopleparty (but they are the facist party))) are all about. As long as you don't insult a minority, or majority, you can say anything. Denmark even has a bikers party, a skater party, and even a hash party. No one wotes for them, but they are alowd to exist.

[Confero]

I hereby correct you. In denmark, freedom of speach is VERY important, almost the most important thing to us. In denmark, people like Pia kærsgård (the leader of the facist party), and Abu Laban (An extremist muslim) get to say their opinios out loud. True, with the new "Anti-terror" laws, thing like suporting the PFLP as i do, has become unsafe, but noone has ever been punished for it, in Denmark, Cus' we walu freedom of speach so much. They once tryed, but the court house was swarmed by protesters, and they never got there, and had to let him go.

Yes, racism is a crime, but thats not putting a stop to democracy. Racism is. If someone is alowed to say "Dead to all niggers" then someone will try to stop him/her from saying it, and vice versa. However, if you don't say things like that, you ARE alowed to say that fx. all arabs shoud be sent home, AT ONCE. In fact, thats what the DF (dansk folkeparti (meaning the danish peopleparty (but they are the facist party))) are all about. As long as you don't insult a minority, or majority, you can say anything. Denmark even has a bikers party, a skater party, and even a hash party. No one wotes for them, but they are alowd to exist.

First, thanks for coming up with a reply.

Joke political parties being "allowed to exist" is just that: a joke. I'd say that a country where you can say "Kill all niggers and kykes!" could require more personal freedom then one where you can join the motorcycle party and run for office.

Do you think a country is free, if like you said "Racism is a crime, but thats not putting a stop to democracy."? How could racism put a stop to democracy, anyway? The way I see it, your country is more racist then The United States (http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30106), and racism may or may not be a crime. I guess if you are "more free", racism would be legal? Are you racist?

[Confero]

Sir, i AM a communist. And i am not only a communist on web forums. I am a decared communist, and i am not afreid to tell anyone. The red flag is hangin on my walls. I am a communist and proud of it.


This is how it is done. Any other metod, will result in chaos.

Damn I wasn't aware you are such a hardcore Communist (with a capital "C").

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/ShenKuel/fuckyou.jpg

Well, I've got the red flag hanging on my wall too, so what? It's a piece of fabric with an image inked onto it. Go get a job, then maybe some of your working class arguments will be viable.

This one special just for you:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/ShenKuel/fuckcommies.jpg

[TDD]

Wow 5 posts in a row! I don't know what to call it. It's more that a quadruple post, one more. I don't know what that is.
But 5 posts in a row? ban plz.

[System_Zero]

HA!

This fucker has now clue what the hell he's talking about. Ban plz.

If communism was so great, why has China moved to a more capitalistic style? Why are the only remaining Communist nations run by dictators too afraid to loose power and can barely feed themselves.

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, all Communist nations outside of Russia where funded and supported by Russia. But now they've become a Democracy, those nations can't even take care of themselves without aid that doesn't trickle down to the people that need it and instead only benefits the people in power.

Communism can not work for an industrial nation. It barely even works for an agricultural one.

[Communistpeople]

Damn I wasn't aware you are such a hardcore Communist (with a capital "C").

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/ShenKuel/fuckyou.jpg

Well, I've got the red flag hanging on my wall too, so what? It's a piece of fabric with an image inked onto it. Go get a job, then maybe some of your working class arguments will be viable.

This one special just for you:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/ShenKuel/fuckcommies.jpg

Hmm. i don't "Just" hang the flag on my walls. This weekend i tock a trip to sweden along with many other left-wing aktivists to counter the big nazi demostration there.
I also participated in LOTS of demostrations, and operations along with "rød ungom" in denmark.
Besides, i am only 15, and the only job i can get is a paper route. And i DO have a paper route.

[Communistpeople]

HA!

This fucker has now clue what the hell he's talking about. Ban plz.

If communism was so great, why has China moved to a more capitalistic style? Why are the only remaining Communist nations run by dictators too afraid to loose power and can barely feed themselves.

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, all Communist nations outside of Russia where funded and supported by Russia. But now they've become a Democracy, those nations can't even take care of themselves without aid that doesn't trickle down to the people that need it and instead only benefits the people in power.

Communism can not work for an industrial nation. It barely even works for an agricultural one.

Stalinism CAN'T.
Communism can.
A communisik nation run by a dictator is NOT communistic. The main idea of communism is equality, and democracy. Therefore, if these things do not exist, its NOT a communisic nation. FX. if sweden (just as an example) was taken over by a dictator who ruled everything, woud they be a democracy? no.

[Communistpeople]

First, thanks for coming up with a reply.

Joke political parties being "allowed to exist" is just that: a joke. I'd say that a country where you can say "Kill all niggers and kykes!" could require more personal freedom then one where you can join the motorcycle party and run for office.

Do you think a country is free, if like you said "Racism is a crime, but thats not putting a stop to democracy."? How could racism put a stop to democracy, anyway? The way I see it, your country is more racist then The United States (http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30106), and racism may or may not be a crime. I guess if you are "more free", racism would be legal? Are you racist?

Yes true, the facist party in denmark is growing, but the left-wing partys, such as social-democrats, and the socialist party, are growing even more-so.
in fact, the current polls say that the socialdemocracic party will win next time.
Racism is growing, but the danish youth are heading in a altogether differnt dirrection.

Racism is putting a stop to democracy.
FX. in the Apartheid system, the only people who were alowed to vote, where the white people. They woted for the Apartheid party, who said that the blacks coudn't wote. But that party were elected democraticaly, by the white minority. Democracy is rule of the people. ALL of the people. The only kind of racism thats illigal, is fx. making a law, saying all black people shoud be killed. or have their wotes taken awey. You can however, make a law forbidding muslims to wear scearfs on the job, becouse is make the customers uncomfortable. And that kind of stupid shit.

And of course i am not a Racist.

[Confero]

Yes true, the facist party in denmark is growing, but the left-wing partys, such as social-democrats, and the socialist party, are growing even more-so.
in fact, the current polls say that the socialdemocracic party will win next time.
Racism is growing, but the danish youth are heading in a altogether differnt dirrection.

Racism is putting a stop to democracy.
FX. in the Apartheid system, the only people who were alowed to vote, where the white people. They woted for the Apartheid party, who said that the blacks coudn't wote. But that party were elected democraticaly, by the white minority. Democracy is rule of the people. ALL of the people. The only kind of racism thats illigal, is fx. making a law, saying all black people shoud be killed. or have their wotes taken awey. You can however, make a law forbidding muslims to wear scearfs on the job, becouse is make the customers uncomfortable. And that kind of stupid shit.

And of course i am not a Racist.

Well, in the countries we live in, racial minorities and women can vote. Wouldn't that make the countries that don't let other races vote racist, not The United States?

[TDD]

Hmm. i don't "Just" hang the flag on my walls. This weekend i tock a trip to sweden along with many other left-wing aktivists to counter the big nazi demostration there.
I also participated in LOTS of demostrations, and operations along with "rød ungom" in denmark.
Besides, i am only 15, and the only job i can get is a paper route. And i DO have a paper route.


Stalinism CAN'T.
Communism can.
A communisik nation run by a dictator is NOT communistic. The main idea of communism is equality, and democracy. Therefore, if these things do not exist, its NOT a communisic nation. FX. if sweden (just as an example) was taken over by a dictator who ruled everything, woud they be a democracy? no.


Yes true, the facist party in denmark is growing, but the left-wing partys, such as social-democrats, and the socialist party, are growing even more-so.
in fact, the current polls say that the socialdemocracic party will win next time.
Racism is growing, but the danish youth are heading in a altogether differnt dirrection.

Racism is putting a stop to democracy.
FX. in the Apartheid system, the only people who were alowed to vote, where the white people. They woted for the Apartheid party, who said that the blacks coudn't wote. But that party were elected democraticaly, by the white minority. Democracy is rule of the people. ALL of the people. The only kind of racism thats illigal, is fx. making a law, saying all black people shoud be killed. or have their wotes taken awey. You can however, make a law forbidding muslims to wear scearfs on the job, becouse is make the customers uncomfortable. And that kind of stupid shit.

And of course i am not a Racist.
Please! For the love of Jesus, STOP POSTING. You have no clue what you're talking about. You also spell like a fucking 10-year-old, and tripple post.

[KageOni]

Ok, it's not like I waisted my time reading this or any thing but...

Fuck yeah we're the ultimate enemy. Were like the boss at the end of level nine that always kicks your ass.

[Communistpeople]

Please! For the love of Jesus, STOP POSTING. You have no clue what you're talking about. You also spell like a fucking 10-year-old, and tripple post.

First of all, there is no jesus, so there is no way i will do anything for his love. Second, i DO know what i am talking about. And so what if i spell like shit? I am not from a english speaking contry. Yes, i spell like shit, but if you can't move on, then why don't YOU fuck of the forum?

[Slevin57]

"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan


It is very convenient to call the most brutal atempts at communism, something other then communism.

That would be like me saying, President Bush is not being Democratic, he's being Busihistic (Stalinistic). That is not applicable.

You are correct about the phases of communism, but 99% of all attempts at communism have never got out of the Dictatorship of the Prolariat, for the sole reason that when you give somone power, no matter how humble they may be they do not want to give it up.

You can argue all night that Fidel Castro was democratically elected, but the fact remains his official title is still Dictator of Cuba, and he has been that for 50 years.

Noone has EVER transitioned into the final stage of communism, It's just not possible. Marx was a very intelligent man, but he faltered in his writing. He always assumed that people were going to do the right things, and that everyone is inherently good. This is why communism will not work.

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It's a play on words to call Communism a part of Democracy. Obviously the working class is going to be the majority in most situations, so whatever they say would be a democratic majority. But this is only in the initial revolution.

After the revolution the single party that controls the society, puts the people most sympathetic to communism (Intelligencia) into power, and oddly enough usually gives them the nicest of the homes that the capitalists formerly held. From that point the Dictatorship of the Prolariat handles everything, and establishes itself in the exact same position the capitalists were in, except the idea is they are going to be fair and distribute everything fairly.

But as I said before, once you have power you don't want to give it up. The intelligencia still get nicer houses, and they are going to get treated better.

When Communism starts to fall is when the ugly side comes out, I don't know if anyone is old enough to remember, but in the 80's there were bread lines miles long in Russia and Eastern Europe, because the government could not support its people. Russia has not ever issued a statement saying how many people died from starvation because of this. But we can see the state of Russia today. Poised to be a superpower, they fell from glory out of their own arrogance.

[Darkraptor]

First of all, there is no jesus, so there is no way i will do anything for his love. Second, i DO know what i am talking about. And so what if i spell like shit? I am not from a english speaking contry. Yes, i spell like shit, but if you can't move on, then why don't YOU fuck of the forum?

jesus loves you the most

[Slevin57]

Also just to clear it up there Communism and then there is communism.

communism and derived words are written with the lowercase "c" except when they refer to a political party of that name, a member of that party, or a government led by such a party, in which case the word "Communist" is written with the uppercase "C." Thus, one may be a communist (an advocate of communism) without being a Communist (a member of a Communist Party or another similar organization).

[Mooters]

First of all, there is no jesus, so there is no way i will do anything for his love. Second, i DO know what i am talking about. And so what if i spell like shit? I am not from a english speaking contry. Yes, i spell like shit, but if you can't move on, then why don't YOU fuck of the forum?

No, you dont know what the fuck you're talking about.
you're only 15, I bet your balls haven't even dropped yet.
you Keep posting like 5 times, idiot.
Theirs a edit button, and use the qoute button too.
All you're doing is wasting your time making yourself look like a total dipshit.
And if you cant spell? Why bother having a keyboard?
You fail, you suck, and you're idiot who doesn't know shit.
you're blinded by ignorance.

(P.S USE THE EDIT BUTTON!)Jackass..

[Communistpeople]

jesus loves you the most

Yea? right. What is it with you and the love of dead men? You know, "loving" dead people is illigal in most places.


No, you dont know what the fuck you're talking about.
you're only 15, I bet your balls haven't even dropped yet.
you Keep posting like 5 times, idiot.
Theirs a edit button, and use the qoute button too.
All you're doing is wasting your time making yourself look like a total dipshit.
And if you cant spell? Why bother having a keyboard?
You fail, you suck, and you're idiot who doesn't know shit.
you're blinded by ignorance.

So what if i am only 15? And if your balls wasen't droped when you were 15 you have a BIG isue. And my usual formum does not have a edit button. Posting once per reply is just a habbit.

[Napalm]

I don't think anyone's balls were droped when they were 15.
I don't even see how you can drope balls. D:

Maybe if you learned how to spell, people might take your shit post full of wrong, a tad bit seriously.

[Slevin57]

*ahem* You have ignored my posts, I can only assume that you know I'm right. :P

[Napalm]

I'm assuming you're talking to the pinko, not me. Cos I don't see what this thread has to do with me :(

[Slevin57]

I'm talking to the Communistpeople dude.

[Mooters]

So what if i am only 15? And if your balls wasen't droped when you were 15 you have a BIG isue. And my usual formum does not have a edit button. Posting once per reply is just a habbit.

I'm refuring about how young you are.
And I never said anything about my balls. :/ idiot.
Oh, good, afther like the 10th post you made, you finaly learn to use the reply button. Good job retard, you win a cookie. :D

Now, you should seriously fill you tubes with dumptrucks so you cant get on the internet anymore, so we dont have to force ourselves to read your retarded post and thread.

[Slevin57]

The internet is not conducive to communism :P.

Ask China.. Oh wait you can't.

[kholstar]

Cus' in America, Democracy is not what is says. There are only two electable parties. Which means, the people can't wote for someone with their opinios, but only for the same party, with differenct names, and some few pointless diffrences.
In a real democracy, ANYONE is electable. The goverment is formed by the persons with the most votes, even if they don't share party's. It work great.
A such system the goverment wound represent the opinion of the people. Not of the some old capitalist fucks.
This is truely BS, First of all there are more than two parties, however because so many people agree with the two parties ideas they are considered "major parties" and if you look at the votes there are many parties in america such as the Green party, independent party, dixicrats. also, yes anyone can run however usually they dont have the popularity to gain office. Hence this fact is entirely false

[iLazz 2.0]

When i look on the world i see one thing. Misery. Sure, in a few places, most/all people are happy as fx. Denmark (mee), sweden (Who with out the prosperetive Facist party of denmark is a better place), and norway (just generaly rock. Rich assholes. They stole our oil :P)(Becouse of the wellfare states), and Cuba (the abselute No.1. And its NOT a dictatorship. Thats propaganda). Most other places, Half to more of the population is starving, of cough in slavery. In fackt, America is the no.1 place in the world for slavery. Even thoug is a "Know fact"(no way) they America is the "home of the free", and "Defender of Democracy", "Anyone can become president in America. All it takes is hard work.

Thats just all a load of bullshit.
Please upgrade this noob immediately.

[Shins]

So you don't think Cuba is a dictatorship, Lazz?

[iLazz 2.0]

So you don't think Cuba is a dictatorship, Lazz?Cuba is a worker's paradise.

[Orbixx]

Ban Communistpeople.

[Mooters]

I second that.

[Shins]

Cuba is a worker's paradise.

Would you like to live in Cuba, given the opportunity?

[crooked]

they do have a pretty sweet healthcare system.

[Mooters]

like canada?