Jesus wasn't born on Christmas

[Trainwreck]

the winters in jerusalem are too cold, and theres no way they could get 3 men to walk to them in 4-feet of snow bearing gifts. plus, the murr (i do'nt know how you spell it) was liquid, and would have frozen.


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[KillHour]

Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. It's a known fact. Christmas was moved to winter in order to correlate with similar pagan holidays.

[Trainwreck]

then please explain to me why so many christians blindly believe he was born on that day?

i hate it when people blindly lead themselves into lies

[Shins]

Two immediate reasons come to mind:

A.) They never questioned the date in the first place.

B.) They understand that historically, December 25 was chosen as a means to absorb an existing popular Pagan holiday, but decide to concentrate on the symbolism of the day itself and what it means to their faith, rather than when specifically it should fall on the calender.

It's not really that important. There's plenty of more interesting aspects to focus on with the birth of Christ as recorded biblically; like say, the virgin birth?

[Evonus]

Christmas is also on two different days depending on if you're from eastern or western Europe. (Christmas for the easterners is Jan 1st). They have no idea when he was born.

[runestone]

The virgin birth is a load of crap I reckon. I mean, Mary is married to Joseph and they'd never done it?

Yeah right.

[Trainwreck]

it happens all the time, Runestone, it's just that we have Maury now


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"you are not the father the son, or the holy spirit"

[System_Zero]

Jesus wasn't born on Christmas
No duh.

The bible never states exactly when Jesus was born, nor have I ever personally known any Fundamentalist that said that Dec 25 was Jesus's birthday. If you really think about it, he would have been born sometime around the spring.

[KageOni]

(with out reading the thread) What did Jesus ever do on Santa's birthday.

[runestone]

That's right Kage and while we're at it, what did Jesus ever bring to us at Christmas time other than thousands of years of war, witch-hunts and oppression by zealots?

Santa brings PlayStation 3's.

[Hacky]

Santa definately has the advantage over this Jesus guy.


I just realized.... this is serious discussion.... I shouldn't be spamming.

On topic: I've never heard anybody actually get passionate about when the birth of Jesus was, usually when you tell them it wasn't on Christmas, they're like
"Yeah, that makes sense".

In addition: if you ever watch sitcoms, on Christmas episodes they make all sorts of jokes about "The Baby Jesus just being born" or something along those lines, you know? Yeah, they know it wasn't on Christmas. They're making fun of it.

[Sofa of Death]

i grew up around a family that just assumed that it was the date jesus was born.

it's good to be around people that werent so sheltered... :)

[System_Zero]

And while we're at it, why does Jesus have to take the Easter Bunny's day? Did he ever bring me a chocolate cream filled Jesus? I think not.

[Zandrel]

the winters in jerusalem are too cold, and theres no way they could get 3 men to walk to them in 4-feet of snow bearing gifts. plus, the murr (i do'nt know how you spell it) was liquid, and would have frozen.


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Its pronounced mir, it is in magic the gathering that is.

Its obvious that the 25th is not the actual date but Christians still use it because they are celebrating the birth, making the actual day unimportant.

[runestone]

Santa wears a suit, has got a hair cut and a real job. He's also passed exhaustive police checks and psychological profiling exams.

There's no bumming around back streets in ripped hessian, old sandals and with dread locks being followed by poor people. Not our Santa. No way.

[Zandrel]

Well santa is savvy business man and jesus poor and kinda emo when you think about it, and a jew so you know he isnt going to buy stuff for everyone and if he did it would be cheap or second hand cuz he's a jew.

[System_Zero]

"Haha... those Jews kill me" ~ Jesus Christ - Drawn Together

[Trainwreck]

Well, apparently this forum sets it's bars higher than i once thought.

As far as teh Easter Bunny goes, i'm not 100% sure how he/she/it came about, but i know nobody said "Jesus has risen! Go find a basket!"

...Personal opinion of course.

[Napalm3PO]

Jesus died before Easter lol

[System_Zero]

Easter is just a modification of passover, since it Easter usually occurs the week after Passover.

[Shins]

And while we're at it, why does Jesus have to take the Easter Bunny's day? Did he ever bring me a chocolate cream filled Jesus? I think not.

Last year, we were visiting my grandparents (devout Irish-Catholics) over Easter, and I handed out a bunch of chocolate Jesuses (Jesusi?), then proceeded to bite the head off the one I gave to myself.

Later that day, my grandmother suffered a mild heart attack. I've always wondered if I was, at least in some small part, to blame.

Either way, Jesus was fucking delicious.

[System_Zero]

Leave it to the internet to produce a chocolate Jesus.

[Slevin57]

Some Christians celebrate Christmas on January 6, January 7, January 18, or even not at all. The date of Christmas Day is determined by various traditions rather than relying on historical evidence, which generally points to dates earlier in the year. The great majority of scholars agree that the precise birthdate of Jesus is unknown...

Now, As was explained to my by said zealots.

SANTA = SATAN

Just re-arrange the words, and tada! :P

[Doku]

Santa brings PlayStation 3's.

First off.. Santa is a Nintendo fan.. he'd be burned alive or crucified to keep with the theme of the thread if he brought those pieces of crap to remember the big J-Man's Birthday!

More on topic though.. how the hell do we come up with some of these holidays.. I mean sure I understand why we have Easter as a religious holiday but.. shit.. he rises from the dead and what do we do.. EASTER EGG HUNT.. and also.. Easter BUNNY leaves EGGS.. as far as I know Bunnies don't lay eggs.. also.. Halloween what is all the candy about?! Sure I don't mind.. I love candy.. but its the day of the dead.. LETS GORGE OURSELVES WITH CANDY TO CELEBRATE ALL THOSE DEAD PEOPLE! -_- I'm not even gonna get in to that commercial bull shit holiday valentines day.. okay yeah I will.. Saint Valentine was a freaking Martyr.. his day was supposed to be a day of Feast.. now its for lovers.. WTF.. actually some believe that he was only sainted and given a day on the 14th because it "may have been an attempt to supersede the pagan holiday of Lupercalia that was still being celebrated in 5th century Rome, on February 15" *from Wiki*

Eh.. holidays are bogus.. we lose all real meaning as soon as commercial marketing gets a hold of it..

HAPPY WINTER-EEN-MAS!!!!

[System_Zero]

Large majority of holidays are just modifications of older Roman holidays. Easiest way to convert people early on was to incorporate their previous religion's holiday into your own religion.

[Riv3r]

Well santa is savvy business man and jesus poor and kinda emo when you think about it, and a jew so you know he isnt going to buy stuff for everyone and if he did it would be cheap or second hand cuz he's a jew.

what do you have against jews? anyways. If jesus did buy us stuff he would use all his money on us whether it was much or not. And secondly jews don't beleive in the ressurection of Christ (well some of them do) so how could Jesus be a jew if he didn't beleive in his own ressurection? Jesus was a Christian, he wasn't a Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc. etc.

And if you check the bible it says Jesus was raised as a Nazarene (don't remember how to spell it)
He later went to Jerusalem again. I think I'm right :P

Back on topic, It doesn't really matter what day you celebrate Christmas on as long as you remember what it's all about. The same goes for Easter.

[Rab]

Back on topic, It doesn't really matter what day you celebrate Christmas on as long as you remember what it's all about. The same goes for Easter.

I don't like to remember what it's about, it makes me not want to celebrate and I love to celebrate...

[Shins]

I think I'm right :P

You're not. There are many things to be debated and denied about Jesus, but he was most certainly a Jew.

[System_Zero]

Jesus was Jewish. Anyone who says otherwise needs to get their heads out of their ass and study HISTORY.

[Riv3r]

I don't really know how to say this, but Jesus was Jewish and then again he wasn't, He was Jewish as in he lived in Jerusalem and stuff, but IMO Jesus was a Christian, he wasn't a certain denomination.

[Hacky]

what do you have against jews? anyways. If jesus did buy us stuff he would use all his money on us whether it was much or not. And secondly jews don't beleive in the ressurection of Christ (well some of them do) so how could Jesus be a jew if he didn't beleive in his own ressurection? Jesus was a Christian, he wasn't a Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc. etc.

How to explain this to you..... let me think.

He wasn't a Christian, he couldn't be a Christian, Christianity was created after his death. He-Was-Jewish. How can he have any opinion at all on the topic of his ressurection if... well... HE WAS DEAD! He can't believe in it or not believe in it, even if he was ressurected... death ensued.

If you do a little bit of thinking, you'd see it's more than obvious he's Jewish. It is an indisputable fact.... go ask your Pastor or something. He can't believe in himself saving him from his sins, now can he?

"And Jesus died on the cross to save us from eternal damnation"
Is the Basic belief of Christianity, is it not? So would Jesus say:
"And I died on the cross to save me from eternal damnation"
That doesn't make any sense, at all. He was Jewish, believing that only leading a sin-free life/repenting for your sins via good deeds could attain him eternal life.

He never prayed to himself. He never "Found Christ". He was fully Jewish.

[System_Zero]

He was Jewish. From birth to death he was Jewish. He never intended to create a new religion, but rather reform the Hebrew religion at the time.

It was formed into a separate religion when not every Jewish person accept him as the 2nd messiah and thus the religion was split in two just as how other Christian sects later split from Catholic Church (Lutherans, Baptist, etc). And as time passed, Christianity did everything it could to distance itself from Judaism, even as far as demonize Jews for allegedly "killing" Christ.

[Riv3r]

How to explain this to you..... let me think.

He wasn't a Christian, he couldn't be a Christian, Christianity was created after his death. He-Was-Jewish. How can he have any opinion at all on the topic of his ressurection if... well... HE WAS DEAD! He can't believe in it or not believe in it, even if he was ressurected... death ensued.

If you do a little bit of thinking, you'd see it's more than obvious he's Jewish. It is an indisputable fact.... go ask your Pastor or something. He can't believe in himself saving him from his sins, now can he?

"And Jesus died on the cross to save us from eternal damnation"
Is the Basic belief of Christianity, is it not? So would Jesus say:
"And I died on the cross to save me from eternal damnation"
That doesn't make any sense, at all. He was Jewish, believing that only leading a sin-free life/repenting for your sins via good deeds could attain him eternal life.

He never prayed to himself. He never "Found Christ". He was fully Jewish.

But does it not say in the Bible that he knew that he was the one going to fulfill the prophecy? He knew what he was going to endure and he knew the cause. I do understand what you are saying though. He wouldn't say And I died on the cross to save me from eternal damnation, he might've said "That I will die on the cross to save us all from eternal damnation" though?

[Hacky]

He wasn't Christian. He never wanted to create Christianity. Never. He wanted to reform Jewish people. If all Jewish people believed in Jesus as the messiah, then we wouldn't be Christian, we'd be Jewish.

Christianity came long after.

[Riv3r]

That is true because if the Jewish beleived him as there Messiah, then Jesus in turn wouldn't have died on the cross therefore there would be no christianity. But about he never wanted christianity, where does it say that in the Bible? I'll have to look that up.

[Hacky]

That is true because if the Jewish beleived him as there Messiah, then Jesus in turn wouldn't have died on the cross therefore there would be no christianity. But about he never wanted christianity, where does it say that in the Bible? I'll have to look that up.

It's not in the Bible. Not everything is in the Bible. Do some thinking, it might do you some good.

Jesus' goal was to reform the Jewish faith. If he had accomplished it, he could have easily been presecuted by another group of people, and still died. But Christians would be Jews now.

Now, if his goal was to reform Jews, how can he also want Christianity? The two cannot coexist. You cannot say
"He wanted to create Christianity", because then you make the claim he did not want to reform jews.
If you say he wanted to Reform Jews, then he did have the intent of Christianity.

Simple Logic. Use it.

[System_Zero]

Were did it say he wanted to create a new religion? You're taking into account on what was going on at the time. The Jewish people where under an oppressive occupation by the Romans help at bay by the corrupted High Priests.

Everyone knew this, and everyone wanted a 2nd Mosses to free them from the Romans. The Messiah prophecy first appeared as the Roman occupation intensified and everyone wanted the next Mosses to come and free the Jewish people. There were many Messiahs before Jesus, and there were many after him.

[mwknowles92]

Jesus happened way before santa and the easter bunny
People just created this stuff on these days
Example: Santa Claus is named after a Priest named claus
He was really nice apparently
and around december he used to ride in on a horse and bring food and all to kids he was initially named something besides santa claus
as it spread from country to country the name began to change and so did the idea

i don't remember how the easter bunny got started....

[System_Zero]

But the winter solstice had been around long before Jesus. So pegans beat Jesus to it.

[Riv3r]

Jesus happened way before santa and the easter bunny
People just created this stuff on these days
Example: Santa Claus is named after a Priest named claus
He was really nice apparently
and around december he used to ride in on a horse and bring food and all to kids he was initially named something besides santa claus
as it spread from country to country the name began to change and so did the idea

i don't remember how the easter bunny got started....

Actually, Santa Claus came from Saint Nicholas. He used to go around once a year and throw gold and other presents into people's chimneys. This became a tradition after he died, and it was spread to nations across the world.

It's different in every country. In some nations I heard that they would give the "bad boy's and girl's" parents whips and devices for punishment. I don't know whether this is true or not though, because I just heard it one day from a friend.

[BhueGo]

Jesus was the path that changed the religion of Jews to christianity. He was sent down to make it so we dont have to go to the arc or a prophet to talk to god but so we can have a direct link through prayer.
the difference between Jewish belifes and Christians is the Jews dont belive Jesus was the actuall savior bc he didnt physically take the throne and lift up his people (He did just not the way they wanted).
So Jesus is a Jew but If he was to come back to todays modern society I dought he would fall under the lines of "Jewish"

[Shins]

Jesus was the path that changed the religion of Jews to christianity.

Wrong. Jesus' followers were the ones who formed Christianity, after his death. And that early religion is a far cry from the one you see today. Christianity incorporated, adopted, and in some cases, stole the ideas, rituals, and practices of other spiritual beliefs in the region, like Paganism, so as to make the spread and conversion a simpler and more successful process.

Jesus was a Jew whose teachings were intended to reform Judaism, not compete or replace it.

[BhueGo]

Jesus was a Jew whose teachings were intended to reform Judaism, not compete or replace it.

= he didnt come to exactly reform but to fulfill the prophecy of Jewish prophets

[System_Zero]

Which claimed that the Jewish people would be free from Rome's grip. and some 100 years after Jesus died, There was the Jewish Revolution which didn't go so well but still pushed Rome out of that region.

[Shins]

= he didnt come to exactly reform but to fulfill the prophecy of Jewish prophets

It's too bad that he didn't fulfill any prophecy according to the Jews then. The people that believed he had reinterpreted the prochecy as a spiritual savior, rather than a literal one, and then formed and converted to Christianity.

The Jews are still holding out for a true messiah.

[Orbixx]

Jesus wasn't born, full stop. It's another lie of the Bible. Of course, that is my opinion, some of you may find it a bit extreme, but that is your opinion, of which I may find extreme, but that is my opinion, of which you may find a bit extreme, but that is your opinion, which I find is extreme, but that is my opinion. LOL.

[Shins]

It's likely that he existed, but was simply a popular (or unpopular, depending on your perspective at the time) religious figure.

No need for complete fabrication; it's easy enough to build up an existing thing.

[MasterGlitch]

the winters in jerusalem are too cold, and theres no way they could get 3 men to walk to them in 4-feet of snow bearing gifts. plus, the murr (i do'nt know how you spell it) was liquid, and would have frozen.

1.) Everyone knew that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th.

2.) The wise men are believed to have shown up a long time later. It takes a while to walk across a country, you know? A lot of people think the wise men probably showed up when Jesus was around 2 or so. Basically, whether Jesus was born on December 25th or otherwise, your point about the wise men is just incorrect.

3.) It's spelled "myrrh."


The virgin birth is a load of crap I reckon. I mean, Mary is married to Joseph and they'd never done it?

Yeah right.

The Bible says that Mary became pregnant before she was married, even though she was a virgin. She married Joseph after she became pregnant, not before. The Bible says nothing about Mary staying a virgin for her entire life after she was married, either, and I highly doubt she did.


Jesus wasn't born, full stop. It's another lie of the Bible. Of course, that is my opinion, some of you may find it a bit extreme, but that is your opinion, of which I may find extreme, but that is my opinion, of which you may find a bit extreme, but that is your opinion, which I find is extreme, but that is my opinion. LOL.

There is actually quite solid evidence that Jesus was born and walked the earth. I don't think there are any historians out there, religious or not, who don't believe that.
Whether you believe that he was/is the Son of God and the Savior of everyone's souls is another story, though.

[MattyTheTurner]

Hey guys.

Now I happen to be a Christian, but I'm not going to, let's say, force my beliefs upon you; this is just what I think.

First off, let's have a look at the methods of travel in the time when Jesus was born; about 2000 years ago. According to other historical documents etc, many travelers traversed the land on foot or by camel/donkey/horse, but mainly donkeys or camels in the mediterranean lands where the Bible takes place.

When the "star" appeared over Bethlehem to tell the shepherds of the birth of Jesus, (and taking into account the shepherds' whereabouts at the time), it would have simply taken months, even years, to reach Jesus' birthplace. It is entirely feasible then, that the change in weather would have allowed a safe journey for not only the shepherds, but their donkeys and gifts.

The Bible never states the exact age of "baby" Jesus when he is visited by the Shepherds. Also, the shepherds did not neccesarily visit Jesus at the same time as the Kings or Wise men.


Another thing... If Jesus really was/is the Son of God, then surely there is a chance that God would have protected and aided the shepherds in thier journey... anyways, that's it from me.

~Matty

[Coolguy]

uugghhh i wish i would have remembered exactly what i was told...

Anywho, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. It is not his "official birthday." We do not know his true date of birth.

It is nine months after the celebration of The Annuciation...which is celebrated on 25 of March.

Pretty neat huh.

[SPASTICHOBO]

Yeah from what I understand, Christ was actually born sometime in the spring around April. I saw some thing on the Histroy channel where they actually plotted the stars to see what the path of the star that led the wisemen to Bethlaham was back then. If I remember right, the star in question was actually Jupiter, but it would have led them there at about the time Jesus is believed to have been born.

[Wo1ke]

Ok, so I was basically browsing arround this site (which I found by randomly typing in 1337 in opera) and I found this topic, which forced me to join. What annoyed me were the posts that were trying to disprove the creator are incorrect; precisely;


Christmas is also on two different days depending on if you're from eastern or western Europe. (Christmas for the easterners is Jan 1st). They have no idea when he was born.
I am from eastern Europe (Ukraine) and I can tell you two things; January First is new years day, aka, the day we celebrate the comming of winter (Grandpa Frost=Santa Claus) and the new year. Not once has it been claimed that christ was born on that day, we just celebrate it because of the pagan tradition. In eastern Europe, there is christmas in january (Old russian calendar), and on the 25th (catholic), as well as in when ever the Orthadox Church decides it is.

Of coarse, the original poster annoyed me as well with:

the murr (i do'nt know how you spell it) was liquid, and would have frozen.


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NOT ALL LIQUIDS FREEZE AT 0* CELSIUS! (sorry for the caps)
Only H20 freezes at 0*, and adding even a little bit of salt to that decreases it to below 0*. Ever heard of antifreeze liquid? *gasp* Yes, liquid.

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[Hacky]

NOT ALL LIQUIDS FREEZE AT 0* CELSIUS! (sorry for the caps)
Only H20 freezes at 0*, and adding even a little bit of salt to that decreases it to below 0*. Ever heard of antifreeze liquid? *gasp* Yes, liquid.

Only two elements are found, in nature, to be liquid at room temperature.
A vast majority of liquids we deal with are actually Aqueous Solutions, including alcohol. Meaning, they're disolved in water.
The melting point (Point at which it turns into a liquid) of Antifreeze is −12.9 °C (I assume you work in C being as you said 0 degrees and not 32). In other words, it isn't impossible to freeze antifreeze, it's merely lower than regular liquids. And considering that Antifreeze is designed and used as a coolant, it really isn't all that impressive.

Guess what? It would have frozen. Sorry to crush your hopes at an insult.

[Wo1ke]

Only two elements are found, in nature, to be liquid at room temperature.
A vast majority of liquids we deal with are actually Aqueous Solutions, including alcohol. Meaning, they're disolved in water.
The melting point (Point at which it turns into a liquid) of Antifreeze is −12.9 °C (I assume you work in C being as you said 0 degrees and not 32). In other words, it isn't impossible to freeze antifreeze, it's merely lower than regular liquids. And considering that Antifreeze is designed and used as a coolant, it really isn't all that impressive.

Guess what? It would have frozen. Sorry to crush your hopes at an insult.

Well, no shit anti-freeze is freezable, but
(a) My point was, that in Iraq/Israel, winters rarely go below 0 celcius, thus likely NOT freezing most liquids.
(b) In ancient times, there was no sure way to sanitize your water, thus alcohol and salt were added. Salt reduced freezing temperture to below 0, as does alcohol.
No hopes crushed, unless we count yours.

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[Hacky]

If it's cold enough to snow, as seen here (http://www.jerusalemshots.com/Jerusalem_en112-3974.html), then clearly it's well below 0, the freezing point of water.

[Wo1ke]

If it's cold enough to snow, as seen here (http://www.jerusalemshots.com/Jerusalem_en112-3974.html), then clearly it's well below 0, the freezing point of water.


To tell you the truth, I come from a culture that lives in cold, and I can tell you this; when it snows, the temperture is rarely FAR below zero, in most cases -1, or -2. True cold comes with a dramatic drop in humidity, and no snow. So, if it's snowing, it's possible but VERY UNLIKELY that their alcoholic drinks will be frozen. (I also come from a culture that knows it's hard liquor.) I come from Ukraine, which to Israel is like Maine to Florida, aka, far north, and even there it rarely goes below -10. Now, go down to florida, and how often does it go below -1? It can snow at precisely 0. Finally, the snow in that picture is melting, thus being above 0.

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[Hacky]

Um, actually it snows in Florida quite a bit. Ever heard of Orange trees freezing? When people think of Florida they think of the sunny beaches and not... 99% of what that state actually is.

Bible accounts they started their treak at night, in the middle of winter, that picture is taken during the day.
In order to snow that much, it does have to be below 0. You ever seen water put exactly at 0 C? It doesn't freeze all that well. It is the exact freezing point, it has to be a bit below in order to get any real freeze on it, not much, but enough.

Myrrh can hardly be refered to as a "hard liquor"

Myrrh was used as an embalming ointment and was used, up until about the 15th century, as a penitential incense in funerals and cremations. It is alluded to in the Christmas carol We Three Kings. The scent can also be used in mixtures of incense, to provide an earthy element to the overall smell, and as an additive to wine, a practice alluded to by ancient authorities such as Fabius Dorsennus. It is also used in various perfumes, toothpastes, lotions, and other modern toiletries.

[Wo1ke]

Um, actually it snows in Florida quite a bit. Ever heard of Orange trees freezing? When people think of Florida they think of the sunny beaches and not... 99% of what that state actually is.

Bible accounts they started their treak at night, in the middle of winter, that picture is taken during the day.
In order to snow that much, it does have to be below 0. You ever seen water put exactly at 0 C? It doesn't freeze all that well. It is the exact freezing point, it has to be a bit below in order to get any real freeze on it, not much, but enough.

Myrrh can hardly be refered to as a "hard liquor"

Lol, they both contain alcohol.
Plus, how often do you see Florida at below 0 for more than a day or two?
In order to get in the way of piligrims, as the author states, it has to be consistently cold.

:banana:

[Hacky]

Um, in Florida they have 3-10 F lows, which equates out to about -13 C (Using 7 F). If the low is 13 below, than I'd assume there are quite a few below 0.

Amount of alcohol increases or decreases the freezing point in relation to water. A hard liquor will have a different freezing point than a light beer. It's not like you can add a drop of alcohol to water and suddenly the freezing point drops drastically.

[Wo1ke]

Florida is considered to be a land with a true tropical climate;
"Tropical climate is a type of climate typical in the tropics. Köppen's widely-recognized scheme of climate classification defines it as a non-arid climate in which all twelve months have mean temperatures above 18°C (64.4 °F)."
-From Wikipedia.

Which means that, though there are RARE temperture drops to below 0, or even -12 or -13, they are extremely rare, and last very short periods of time.

:banana:

[Hacky]

Actually it has a Humid Subtropical Climate. There's a difference.

Florida is a state located in the southeastern United States. Most of the state is a large peninsula with the Gulf of Mexico on its west and the Atlantic Ocean on its east. It has a warm and humid subtropical climate.

The main temperature range in this climate, considering normal annual extremes, is 10° F to 110 °F (-13°C to 38°C), though this range may greatly depending on the exact location.
Quotes from Wiki also.

[Wo1ke]

The southernmost limits of this climate are around Miami and southern coastal Texas, and areas further south have a true tropical climate with a very warm weather year round and minimal temperature differences between seasons.
Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humid_subtropical_climate .

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[irishspud]

The Bible says that Mary became pregnant before she was married, even though she was a virgin. She married Joseph after she became pregnant, not before. The Bible says nothing about Mary staying a virgin for her entire life after she was married, either, and I highly doubt she did.

actually, if i remember correctly, Jesus had brothers? or sisters? (its been awhile since i've been to church, even though i'd still like to consider myself a Christian) but i'm pretty sure Jesus had siblings from Joseph and Mary.

[Hacky]

The southernmost limits of this climate are around Miami and southern coastal Texas, and areas further south have a true tropical climate with a very warm weather year round and minimal temperature differences between seasons.

Learn to read.

Florida is still Humid Subtropical, with extremes ranging from 10° F to 110 °F (-13°C to 38°C) on average.

[Wo1ke]

"And Areas futher south"

Learn to read.

Yes, AND, meaning INCLUDING THE and South of the.
Maybe you should follow your own advice? Lol, I like 1337.com
I haven't been flamed yet! Actually possible to talk. Plus, arguing with a mod doesn't get you banned.


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[MasterGlitch]

actually, if i remember correctly, Jesus had brothers? or sisters? (its been awhile since i've been to church, even though i'd still like to consider myself a Christian) but i'm pretty sure Jesus had siblings from Joseph and Mary.

I'm not well-versed on that topic, so I don't really feel right trying to discuss it either way, but I think I've also heard that before. I have no proof of its validity, however. I'll have to look that up.

[Hacky]

There are two meanings of the word and. In the context, as issued by a comma indicated a seperate claus, it means "Also"
Not, Including

[Wo1ke]

Let me rephrase my quote into more direct terms.
The southernmost limits of this climate are around Miami and southern coastal Texas....have a true tropical climate with a very warm weather year round and minimal temperature differences between seasons.

BTW, no matter in which context you view it, some parts of Florida are still included in the Tropical Climate zone. Plus, if the temperture doesn't go below 18 celsius, 100 miles north wont make the regular temperture be -13.


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[Hacky]

You're editing the quote to make it say what you want. That's a lie.


The southernmost limits of this climate are around Miami and southern coastal Texas, and areas further south have a true tropical climate with a very warm weather year round and minimal temperature differences between seasons.

You cut out words to make it one phrase. They are two seperate clauses. If the quote said "The southernmost limits of this climate around Miami and Texas and areas futher south have a true tropical climate with a very warm winter..." then you'd be right. But they're two seperate clauses.

A good majority of Florida still hits those subzero temperatures, being as most of it isn't actually Tropical as you try to claim. Infact, very very little of it is.

[Wo1ke]

You're editing the quote to make it say what you want. That's a lie.



You cut out words to make it one phrase. They are two seperate clauses. If the quote said "The southernmost limits of this climate around Miami and Texas and areas futher south have a true tropical climate with a very warm winter..." then you'd be right. But they're two seperate clauses.

A good majority of Florida still hits those subzero temperatures, being as most of it isn't actually Tropical as you try to claim. Infact, very very little of it is.

Ok, lets say I agree with you. I currently live in virginia, and when we have snow, it stays a week at most. Now, go several hundred miles south, how long will the snow stay? Long enough to significantly impede in the travel of folks who apperently travel for years at a time?


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[Hacky]

That'd be good, if Isreal were significantly south of Virginia. I live in Kansas. We have snows that'll last for weeks. Isreal is pretty much directly east. Hell, Florida is even further south than Isreal.

Now, you mention that they travel for years. That's the important factor. That's a good arguement. Instead you picked on a point which wasn't so weak.

[Wo1ke]

Ahh, I checked google maps, and I see you are right. I misjudged how south israel was, apperently it's in the area of south carolina. My appologies.



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