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Green Hat Linux
October 1st, 2006, 06:30 PM
Read this (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2022848,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594) then discuss

personaly, im not to suprised, and i figure nothing will happen in 08, ya'll?
naomiReturns
October 1st, 2006, 09:20 PM
I'm not surprised and not worried. Businesses make mistakes; governments make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. I think the government has been running ICANN like a business thus far and will continue to do so. They haven't violated the function of the internet as a neutral entity, and they had BETTER FUCKING NOT (Net Neutrality ftw).
Green Hat Linux
October 1st, 2006, 09:29 PM
hellz yea! have you seen that damn cartoon that the telcos put out? scary that anyone would be so stupid as to belive it, but there are some out there that do...
Inactive Cargo
October 1st, 2006, 10:54 PM
I see no reason why the US should hold on to control of ICANN after 2008. ICANN is, after all, a corporation (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), and the US military maintains a seperate entity for their military domains and infrastructure. Internet 2 will be coming into view, and since it's already an international project the US has already absolute power over it. If they hold on to ICANN then they'll look greedy, and if the US ever wanted to use Internet 2 as a weapon, they could simply invade the country and disable the core routers for the region.
Green Hat Linux
October 1st, 2006, 11:01 PM
...Internet 2 will be coming into view, and since it's already an international project the US has already absolute power over it...

what?
Inactive Cargo
October 1st, 2006, 11:24 PM
what?Internet2 is lead by universities in the United States, but through their partnerships with Cisco, Intel, Sun Microsystems et al. they're using the resources of the international community. By the time 2008 rocks up and people are reminding the US they're going to give up ICANN, people will be more focused on a nearly ready Internet2 deployment and aren't going to GAF if the US Nazi's up the ICANN. Hence, because the US can't look like greedy fucks (again), they'll release control of ICANN and won't be able to have control of UCAID (University Corporation for Advanced Internet Development).
Green Hat Linux
October 1st, 2006, 11:26 PM
gotcha...
Slevin57
October 2nd, 2006, 05:28 AM
I don't think the US will release control of ICANN.. They will renew the agreement again

As for a military assault, I don't think we need to use ICANN as a weapon :P. Usually the first attack in any military campaign is to take out communication infastructure, and that includes the internet.
Inactive Cargo
October 2nd, 2006, 05:33 AM
Usually the first attack in any military campaign is to take out communication infastructure, and that includes the internet.Yes, but there's a difference between "I need $30 million in missiles" and "Just disallow Iran from doing lookups on the 26 core DNS servers - yeah that tickbox there".
Slevin57
October 2nd, 2006, 05:45 AM
Because I"m sure they run their entire country with.. Vonage? :P.

My god they would have to stop using domains.......and use IP's. The horror :P.
Green Hat Linux
October 3rd, 2006, 09:02 PM
My god they would have to stop using domains.......and use IP's. The horror :P.

verry much "The Horror" you realy want to remember ALL those numbers?
Slevin57
October 3rd, 2006, 11:11 PM
"God damnit, they took out our DNS!"

"Shit, we might as well give up, I'm not using IPs"
Inactive Cargo
October 4th, 2006, 12:49 AM
verry much "The Horror" you realy want to remember ALL those numbers?Very much the horror, do you know any 3rd party server IP? You don't, because you're reliant on DNS. We all are.


"God damnit, they took out our DNS!"

"Shit, we might as well give up, I'm not using IPs"Yeah! Because that's what's going to happen:

"God damnit, they took out our DNS!"

"Shit, what the fuck are the IPs of our military servers?"

"The fucking DNS is offline - I don't fucking know"

"How the fuck do we access websites by IP? Apache uses the Host HTTP header to differentiate between sites on shared servers"

"Fuck us, we might as well give up, because we don't know IPs and our servers are configured to use domain names"

"Speaking of fuck us - all the military systems' code is failing because DNS lookups are timing out"

"Kerfuckle"
Green Hat Linux
October 4th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Very much the horror, do you know any 3rd party server IP? You don't, because you're reliant on DNS. We all are.

i know my schools... :whistle: :p