A 9/11 WTC documentary everyone should watch

[runestone]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

If you've got 90 minutes and a few megs to spare you should take some ramen back to your room, put some headphones on, turn out the light, and watch this.

[Inactive Cargo]

Well this is the most legitimate video I've ever seen. It's not like it's trying to get publicity at all by saying "pass this video on" and stuffing the description full with as many keywords as it can, like "jersey girls".

The guy's a demolition hobbyist, whose primary research vessel was the internet. I'm not going to say the internet is full of bogus information, but when it comes to 9/11... let's just say it's a little less than correct.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I'll see if watching the video changes my perspective, but I'm not holding my hopes too high.

EDIT: Well I like how it's backing it self up on the evidence here. The only thing it's quoted from are the official papers and thesis's associated with the event (which are references themselves). Not only does this thing not back it's own conclusions up, it also skips past the obvious. Around the 24 minute mark they're pointing out the the building is collapsing at near free fall speeds. Unfortunately, this is what you expect, seeing as there's so much mass in the building (the video already pointed out that by falling in this pattern that it would build up an incredible force, so why would it slow down?). Not done getting it wrong once in the space of a minute, it plane-crashes (pun intended) into a diagram that asks why debris from the initial explosion up the top hadn't fallen below x amount of meters from where the current "detonation" was. Now, assuming that this video is 100% correct and doesn't misrepresent the facts at all, then the building did "turn into powder". Let's also assume that the laws of Physics hold, even when George W. Bush is demolishing buildings, and then plugging the numbers into the logic calculator yeilds ERROR_AIR_RESISTANCE. But that would mean that the video was misrepresenting the facts, and that it was 100% correct... but that would mean that it's just a bullshit conspiracy theory like all the others... but we know it's not because it opened with some demolition hobbyist (because everybody knows somebody who has "demolitions" as their hobby), who used the internets to prove that Al-Qaeda doesn't go around being shitcocks, it's George W. Bush. Oh, wait - we already proved this video wrong.

[RaptorAlex]

i didnt have time to watch anything but the 1st 7 minutes but im certainly going to when i get the chance

[PSOfan2000]

I love to watch these..it gives me another side of the story. From what i've seen I'm a lot more against my govornment then with it.
This needs to be aired on televison..I dont know how but if it could be shown..it might help expose the truth.
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS CLEARLY MY OPINION.

[runestone]

Things to watch for:

1) The WTC worker who says there was an explosion and burning people running out of offices BEFORE the first plane even hit

2) The company in charge of security and its systems. Who runs it?

3) The workers who claimed heavy construction was going on about their heads at key floors on the building

4) The bank IT security guy who was on duty the weekend before 9/11 when the entire complex suffered a power outage for an entire day. This had never happened before in the building's lifetime, but it was filled with workmen drilling and laying cables before power was eventually restored. When he questioned one about what they were doing he replied he was installing the Internet.

5) Firefighters talking about explosions in the basement.

6) The professor who made an astonishing claim on television before being cut off.

7) Steel debris showing classic thermite/thermate melted diagonal cuts.

[Starkey]

that was amazing rune. thank you for shareing. i just dont understand how they kept it under wraps this long, the main things that i think are crazy are the bombs in the building, the same kind as used in demolition, the diagonal cuts in the steel, and the white smoke at the bottom of the building when the plane hit

[MasterGlitch]

You know what I don't get, though? People make all these theories, but they all assume one thing: the entire government was involved. Why does the entire government have to be involved in such a conspiracy? Perhaps there were a select few high-up persons within the government, working as an inside job and not informing anyone else.
What if the government really and truly does and did believe that terrorists performed this act, because only 3 people were in on it? Doesn't that seem to be a much more likely situation?

Like Maddox said on his website, how could the government have no qualms with killing thousands of innocent American citizens for whatever reason?
I'm sure that if the government was involved at all, it was like 5-10 people in the FBI and other government positions of influence. And even still, there must have been a group of people somewhere outside the government who told those people what to do and told them to cover certain things up with this or that information.

Just some things to think about.

[runestone]

This is because the United States of America has been hijacked by a few people who believe they can manipulate the world's population into doing their bidding.

The Bush family is just one of their tools. The most powerful people on earth are not politicians and you never voted for them.

As long as we are convinced there is an enemy who is trying to kill us, we live in fear and will never be free.

[KillHour]

Yes, there are a few people who believe they can manipulate the world's population through fear. They even have a name for them. They're called terrorists.

[Inactive Cargo]

As long as we are convinced there is an enemy who is trying to kill us, we live in fear and will never be free.Because when I step outside, I'm like "Oh teh noes Mr. New World Order, don't hurt me".

[runestone]

Yes, there are a few people who believe they can manipulate the world's population through fear. They even have a name for them. They're called terrorists.

Yep, they sure are!

[iLazz 2.0]

ACE!!! Thanks Rune. I'll watch it straight after I've finished with the last episode ever of Oz.

[Hazaro]

Yay conspiracies :)
I love these.
I don't know what caused the towers to fall, especially Tower 7, but it wasn't jet fuel.

[Slevin57]

Things to watch for:

1) The WTC worker who says there was an explosion and burning people running out of offices BEFORE the first plane even hit

No offense to that person, but the last thing you expect is a plane to hit your building. It's a very tramautic expierence, its just as likely that person was confused as to what happened.


2) The company in charge of security and its systems. Who runs it?

Stratesec, George Bush's Brother served on the board of trustee's. I can't imagine why the bush family would be linked to a major financial center can you.. Oh wait all that pretty oil.


3) The workers who claimed heavy construction was going on about their heads at key floors on the building

So tell me, can you tell me which floors you should hit with a plane going 575mph, when each floor is identical to the other? You'd have to be a pretty good pilot to plan that trajectory.



4) The bank IT security guy who was on duty the weekend before 9/11 when the entire complex suffered a power outage for an entire day. This had never happened before in the building's lifetime, but it was filled with workmen drilling and laying cables before power was eventually restored. When he questioned one about what they were doing he replied he was installing the Internet.

I can't say I would want to cop to anything that might even be remotly linked with the collapse of the towers. I'd be interested as to who they ask, obviously it wasn't somone that actually knew what the whole project was. It's quite possible that the internet had something to do with the power.


5) Firefighters talking about explosions in the basement.

The basement is an open space with a burning building sitting on top of it that is becoming structurally weaker by the second, I would say a few pilings could go and hit a car, or any number of things stored under the WTC.


6) The professor who made an astonishing claim on television before being cut off.

Haven't gotten there yet..


7) Steel debris showing classic thermite/thermate melted diagonal cuts.[/quote]

The buiding was hit on one side, that means that the right side of the building had the steel melting while the other was supporting now double the weight of the building. The top litterally slid before it fell.
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I don't belive in conspiracies for two reasons, one you have to belive the government is competent, two you have to believe the government can keep a secret. They aren't and they can't.

[System_Zero]

Bullshit, plane and simple.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[runestone]

Loose Change is crap, SZ. If you want to argue about this documentary, then feel free to.


I don't belive in conspiracies for two reasons, one you have to belive the government is competent, two you have to believe the government can keep a secret. They aren't and they can't.

It is very hard for Governments to keep secrets, and that's why they're not given secrets to keep. As an example, check out the secrecy behind the development of the atomic bomb.

You should believe in conspiracies because the entire planet runs on them. Open a history book to any random page and you'll find some whoppers.

[Inactive Cargo]

Bullshit, plane and simple.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_moronsAlthough you made a witty pun, I've already posted that link.

[crooked]

i only truely started to believe this was a conspircay when maddox posted that article. he is, afterall part of the media now.

[Hacky]

I don't belive in conspiracies for two reasons, one you have to belive the government is competent, two you have to believe the government can keep a secret. They aren't and they can't.

Really? Two words: Delta-Force. That was a pretty big secret for quite a while before Black Hawk Down. Nothing quite the scale of a 9/11 coverup, but hey, I just proved you wrong.

[System_Zero]

I know loose change is crap, but Maddox's pictures still make a valid point that can attributed to this new conspiracy.

[Destagow]

1337.com: The government is evil!!!!

The masons and jews too...

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Just kidding. I do not fall for this stuff anymore. Mostly crap from anarchist

[MasterGlitch]

No, government conspiracy theories(or any conspiracy theories, for that matter) don't come from anarchists or any organization seeking the downfall of the government. They come from paranoid schizophrenics trying to prove they aren't actually crazy by coming up with all this crap to "prove" what they say is true.

[Slevin57]

A conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act. Delta Force, is not illegal.

The Government, or more likely select government officals conspiring to kill american citizens, with no real benefit to the country or themselves, is a conspiracy and its a stupid one at that. The people that come up with conspiracies are the people that can't accept the truth for what it is.

and I was reffering to the United States Government. They cannot keep secrets, and they are not competent. I haven't witnessed very many other world governments first hand, so I wouldn't presume to comment upon them.

Now, I"m done here :P

[Hacky]

A conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act. Delta Force, is not illegal.

and I was reffering to the United States Government. They cannot keep secrets, and they are not competent. I haven't witnessed very many other world governments first hand, so I wouldn't presume to comment upon them.

Now, I"m done here :P

You're contradicting yourself. Delta Force was a secret, I didn't say it was a conspiracy or illegal, but it was a secret, and then you go and say that the USFG can't keep secrets?

[crooked]

you seem to be confusing a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory there slevin.

[Slevin57]

See you made me post again.

I'm not contradicting myself. Delta Force proves MY point. The government can't KEEP secrets. It's not a secret if everybody knows about it.

And crooked, it applies either way. If I don't believe in conspiracies, then I logically don't believe in the theory that there are conspiracies :P

[runestone]

Oh, how trusting and innocent many of you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

[Hacky]

See you made me post again.

I'm not contradicting myself. Delta Force proves MY point. The government can't KEEP secrets. It's not a secret if everybody knows about it.

And crooked, it applies either way. If I don't believe in conspiracies, then I logically don't believe in the theory that there are conspiracies :P

They did keep it a secret, for a long time. Not until Black Hawk Down did the information of Delta Force be released. Delta Force was completely underground until that day, proving they can keep secrets, but on that day when that Helicopter went down, they had to release information. Had that not happened, do you honestly believed that one day it would have slipped out, and that anybody would have believed it?

Fuck no. If it'd slipped out without Black Hawk Down, and certain people started talking about "A secret special agents section of the military", they'd get rediculed just like these conspiracy theorists.

I'm not defending this conspiracy theory, or saying "Hey it's true", but you cannot deny that people talking about a secret military special agents division would be talked about the same way unless the government had a reason to do a press release, which without Black Hawk Down, I see no excuse for a press release about Delta Force.

[Slevin57]

They could have said "hey thats a nice, MOVIE" (also book)...

Lemnitzer and his joint chiefs were insane. They This just proves why we have civilian leadership of the military.. There was a goal in Operation Northwoods.. To depose Castro, after the CIA had failed a few years earlier, and the military was not allowed to use their firepower.. McNamara shot it down, and it stayed top secret for 40 years. The kennedy assasignation board released it to show how conservative the military was at the time, *coughs* political release *coughs*

The only thing that can be use to backup a reasoning for the government to attack its own citizens on 9/11, is more conspiracy theories.

[Idspispopd]

Really? Two words: Delta-Force. That was a pretty big secret for quite a while before Black Hawk Down. Nothing quite the scale of a 9/11 coverup, but hey, I just proved you wrong.

Not to mention, Doolittle's Raid (there were maybe 300 people in the US who knew what happened until it actually got sent to the media), Aleutian Island conflict during WWII (because the government would have LOVED to not hide the fact that Japanese had bases in Alaska), the sinking of the Battleship Maine in Havana's harbor, US's non-aggression treaty with USSR in regards to nuclear missile subs being limited in distance towards opposing mainlands, etc.

Because not ONE of those conspiracies actually ever happened.

[MasterGlitch]

A conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act.

A conspiracy does not have to be illegal. It has those implications in many circumstances, but in truth to conspire means to join in a (most likely)secret agreement to work together to meet a certain common goal or purpose. Keeping Delta Force a secret was indeed a conspiracy. It's just that it didn't break any laws or cause any harm. Conspiracies happen all the time, and secrets are kept within the government all the time. But do you want to know why you don't think secrets are being kept from us right this second under our noses? Because those secrets are being kept well.
Also, if you think the government can't keep a secret, then by all means tell me a list of everything that has, is, and is planned to be researched at the Area 51 base from its establishment through the next 5 years.
But wait, you can't, can you? Is that because the government is incapable of keeping secrets? Hell no.

[Idspispopd]

Greatest conspirists in the world:


Parents.

[runestone]

A history of prominent "false flag" operations can be seen in this doco:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5792753647750188322&q=terror%2Bstorm

This is stuff you won't see on Rupert Murdoch's bullshit "History" Channel.

[StopMakingSense]

I just cant bring myself to believe that our government would do anything like that. Think about it, this is the government, some of the smartest people, dont you think they would be able to pull this off so no one could have any conspiracies about it? Well there are conspiracies now, faults that make it seem like the government faked it, so that makes me think they didnt fake it.

hah, it says "Compare a 20 hour inferno to 90 minutes of smoke" Im pretty sure that when the towers were hit it was doing a little more than smoking. with the jet fuel and all...

and they call it a pancake collapse, saying it didnt release any air, causing it to slow down. where did they get that idea from?

this video is totally bias not giving out the facts right.

[MasterGlitch]

this video is totally bias not giving out the facts right.

You'll find that with most documentaries which attempt to prove one certain view on a subject it's pretty difficult not to have a little bias. People can't be completely objective. We're too opinionated.

[runestone]

The reason they were smoldering with black smoke was because most of the jet fuel burnt upon impact. Remember the fireball?

And again, it's not the "the government" who's doing it.

[Phlintlock]

I just cant bring myself to believe that our government would do anything like that. Think about it, this is the government, some of the smartest people,

Lol. That is all I have to say, have fun just having caused all points you make to be pretty much invalid.

[iLazz 2.0]

Loose Change is crap, SZ. If you want to argue about this documentary, then feel free to.



It is very hard for Governments to keep secrets, and that's why they're not given secrets to keep. As an example, check out the secrecy behind the development of the atomic bomb.

You should believe in conspiracies because the entire planet runs on them. Open a history book to any random page and you'll find some whoppers.Yep. There are plenty of precedents and nobody believed them at the time either. A few that spring to mind are:


Tonkin Gulf
Bay of Pigs
WMDs in Iraq
Iran/Contra scandal
Watergate
The Lusitania
Pearl Harbour
Japanese A bombed when offering to surrender
The burning of The Reichstag
It just goes on and on.

P.S. Rune, I've been trying to download this doco but no joy. Must be very popular.

[Hacky]

They could have said "hey thats a nice, MOVIE" (also book)... .

The book was written about a real event... the movie was based on the book. The writer went and interviewed about 60 military personel involved in it to get his facts. The book is more true than false.

[JohnPaul]

Thanks Runestone now I will know what important things to look for.


Things to watch for:

1) The WTC worker who says there was an explosion and burning people running out of offices BEFORE the first plane even hit

2) The company in charge of security and its systems. Who runs it?

3) The workers who claimed heavy construction was going on about their heads at key floors on the building

4) The bank IT security guy who was on duty the weekend before 9/11 when the entire complex suffered a power outage for an entire day. This had never happened before in the building's lifetime, but it was filled with workmen drilling and laying cables before power was eventually restored. When he questioned one about what they were doing he replied he was installing the Internet.

5) Firefighters talking about explosions in the basement.

6) The professor who made an astonishing claim on television before being cut off.

7) Steel debris showing classic thermite/thermate melted diagonal cuts.