Do you think we'll ever find...

[h4Rp3R980]

Osama Bin Laden? I personally don't. How long have we been put there? A long time and still no luck. He's probably moving on everyday to different hideouts. Personally i think we have no chance.

[Pr0blemCh1ld]

I think we will eventually, or he'll kick the bucket soon. Either way, fucker is dead.

[Lame Face]

That's about it. Even if he has been moving from hide-out to hide-out every day, living in hundreds of hot smelly caves and being on the move all the time, what with the fear and the stress and whatnot will kill him eventually.

[crooked]

or maybe he is living it up in america at the bush ranch.

[Pr0blemCh1ld]

Dude, if I were him, and I had all those freaks willing to pose as me, I'd sign in my will that I would keep having my copies pose as me and do video tapes and crap. No one will ever find out the truth unless one of them spill my secret, but by then it'll be too late.

Like Bush is REALLY going to find out anyway.

[Johnno]

They will never find Him, The US army moved him out of Afghanistan before the invasion, The Us government have been planning this since 1991, Osama Bin Laden was just someone easy to put the blame on. Their wont be another terrorist attack in the us Unless They want to take more freedoms Of their citizens.

[Rab]

Osama was just used as a face for all the rednecks to stick up at their shooting ranges. If the US army wanted to capture him again they would.

[TravTech]

We could've had him before 9/11, when he was only guilty of the hotel bombings, but Clinton didn't think it was a good idea.

[Johnno]

As I said, they needed Him to pin the blame on for 9/11, Even though if you assess the videos closely you will see that the planes where not civilian planes.

[TravTech]

LOL

Another one that thinks Clinton is / was in cahoots with Bush.


I suppose you believe in shapeshifting space lizards too?

[Rab]

LOL

Another one that thinks Clinton is / was in cahoots with Bush.


I suppose you believe in shapeshifting space lizards too?
So what if he does believe that Clinton and Bush were in cahoots, it's just his opinion/theory.

Don't take this as an attack on yourself (a la that sig thread) but I'm getting tired of you making people, who's beliefs area bit unorthodox, out to be idiot's. Even if it is shrouded in :D smilies you're still making them out to feel/look stupid.

[IsHatMePanTs]

I've noticed that recurring theme aswell, but it's generally got to do with hating on liberals by the looks of things.

I don't think it's quite so unbelievable. We're talking about people with more money and resources than they know what to do with them so why couldn't they do something like that?

So no, I doubt you'll see Osama being dragged up in front of a court any time soon. Unless he did do it, then fair enough. But I wouldn't be so narrow minded.

[TravTech]

I guess maybe it has to do with the hipocrisy of it all.

How they're painted out to be mortal enemies 99.9% of the time with such diverse ideologies that they could never see eye to eye on a single issue. But then when it helps support some outlandish theory or it's otherwise convenient, next thing ya know they're best chums and in bed together.


Meh, maybe I'm the only one who picks up on that kind of shit.

I'll try to be less astute in the future. ;)


Oh & Rab, it's usually the poster that makes themselves look stupid with the crazed conspiracies. I merely highlight it. Any debater with a solid position should also be able to reverse the tables on me. I think that may be what you're tired of. That not happening.

[Rab]

Oh & Rab, it's usually the poster that makes themselves look stupid with the crazed conspiracies. I merely highlight it. Any debater with a solid position should also be able to reverse the tables on me. I think that's what you're tired of. That not happening.
You want people to reverse the tables on you when you use debating terms like, "I suppose you believe in shapeshifting space lizards too?". Would "you have a vagina where your penis should be", be a decent defense to an attack like that? :confused:

That's always what your debates with Lazz come down to and I understand that you're probably retaliating with a crazy statement like that because you believe Lazz's statements to be just as crazy but try not to bring it into other threads.

Johnno's statement about the 9/11 plane's not being passenger planes wasn't that far out there and certainly wasn't on par with space lizards, so how about you turn the tables on him instead of insulting his theories.

[TravTech]

To me it is "that far out there". And many of the sites that support that type of theory also support David Icke, the founder the whole shapeshifting space lizard thing.

Call it guilt by association.

Aren't you at least a little suprised that when I mention the lizards, none of them ever say "WTF are you talking about?"?

It's because it's posted right there along with the "9/11 inside job" conspiracy.

[Johnno]

LOL

Another one that thinks Clinton is / was in cahoots with Bush.


I suppose you believe in shapeshifting space lizards too?
No I don't believe In shapeshifting space lizards.

There Is much more to this conspiracy than Clinton and bush, They just do as they are told. The conspiracy has been going on for more than 100 years. In fact I know without a doubt that the sinking of the titanic was no accident, And I have seen an interview with one of the people who planned the assassination of JFK, And I will tell you, the reason behind both these events is that the Jesuits wanted control of the federal reserve bank and both times the people that where trying to stop them where killed.

[TravTech]

Ahh... Illuminati is your brand of truth then.

Many former Illuminati subscribers have made the leap to Pindar. It's not that far of a jump from one of those conspiracies to the other. In fact they somewhat support one another and many sites support both.



The Illuminati is controlled by a lizard named Pindar. They say he rides in a white limo and that he is at all the major Satanist rituals that are connnected to the Babylonian Brotherhood.

We know that the Rosicrucian Order was set up to protect the Brotherhood. Now, there is another soceity much older, and more centered on core control than the soceities we hear about. That soceity is the Brotherhood of the Snake (AKA---The Imperial and Royal Court of the Dragon). It is this soceity that controls the upper levels of the Rosicrucian Order and even large parts of the Illuminati. That is where my point comes in. The Illuminati is out of control.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread8938/pg1 ;)

[Rab]

No I don't believe In shapeshifting space lizards.

There Is much more to this conspiracy than Clinton and bush, They just do as they are told. The conspiracy has been going on for more than 100 years. In fact I know without a doubt that the sinking of the titanic was no accident, And I have seen an interview with one of the people who planned the assassination of JFK, And I will tell you, the reason behind both these events is that the Jesuits wanted control of the federal reserve bank and both times the people that where trying to stop them where killed.
Well you just went and ruined my entire point with Trav talking to people like that. I can put up with a few good theories but with what you've said I wouldn't be surprised if you believed in Space Lizards :(

[TravTech]

LOL Rab, see my above edit.

I'm a vet at this stuff. I've dealt with many of them and can usually spot them a mile off.

[Johnno]

Ahh... Illuminati is your brand of truth then.

Many former Illuminati subscribers have made the leap to Pindar. It's not that far of a jump from one of those conspiracies to the other. In fact they somewhat support one another and many sites support both.
wrong again, The Illuminati are not the ones directly behind this, Although all secret all secret societies are all linked to one source.

[TravTech]

Oh I know that, It all goes back to Pindar and his lizards. Hell If I remember right, they're the ones who put us humans here.


I have to check my mythology... err.. umm... Sources to be sure though.

[Coolguy]

Yes. Yes we will.

[crooked]

its not a case of me believing in shape-shifting transdimentional reptilian aliens. its a case of me not being such an arogant prick as to dismiss such ideas off hand because they are somehow 'unscientific'. it seems to me that the world i look around at is so monumentally FUBAR, perhaps there is more to reality than just human perception and logic.

[Johnno]

Oh I know that, It all goes back to Pindar and his lizards. Hell If I remember right, they're the ones who put us humans here.
First time I've heard of the lizards Is today. A lot of my information comes from within the secret societies, I'm not even meant to know it, Therefore I cannot expect you to know It, Neither can I expect You to believe It.

[Rab]

First time I've heard of the lizards Is today. A lot of my information comes from within the secret societies, I'm not even meant to know it, Therefore I cannot expect you to know It, Neither can I expect You to believe It.
So spill the beans then, who does it all link back to?

[TravTech]

its not a case of me believing in shape-shifting transdimentional reptilian aliens. its a case of me not being such an arogant prick as to dismiss such ideas off hand because they are somehow 'unscientific'. it seems to me that the world i look around at is so monumentally FUBAR, perhaps there is more to reality than just human perception and logic.

It seems you misunderstand my motives.

That's why I so adamantly argued in the "proof there is no god" thread. I too believe in things outside of our normal explanations of logic and science.


But these particiular ideas are nothing more than a bunch of internet conspiracies interwoven to support one another all basically sharing the same agenda.

They would barely see the light of day if it weren't for the internet and hundreds or thousands of new "blank slate" minds that come onboard everyday. In that fertile petri dish the crap breeds and spreads like a disease.

15 or more years ago (pre-WWW) if some one were to walk up to you in your neighborhood with this crap, you'd have them committed.

My biggest "alarm" that goes off when I see this sort of thing isn't the fact so much that it's so hard to believe. The cycnical side of me asks however, what's in it for them? Why do they want me to subscribe to such beliefs? It's not that they're trying to be informative or enlightening (something I have NO problem with). It all comes back to their agenda.

[Johnno]

It links back to the catholic church

[crooked]

It seems you misunderstand my motives.

That's why I so adamantly argued in the "proof there is no god" thread. I too believe in things outside of our normal explanations of logic and science.


But these particiular ideas are nothing more than a bunch of internet conspiracies interwoven to support one another all basically sharing the same agenda.

They would barely see the light of day if it weren't for the internet and hundreds or thousands of new "blank slate" minds that come onboard everyday. In that fertile petri dish the crap breeds and spreads like a disease.

15 or more years ago (pre-WWW) if some one were to walk up to you in your neighborhood with this crap, you'd have them committed.

My biggest "alarm" that goes off when I see this sort of thing isn't the fact so much that it's so hard to believe. The cycnical side of me asks however, what's in it for them? Why do they want me to subscribe to such beliefs? It's not that they're trying to be informative or enlightening (something I have NO problem with). It all comes back to their agenda.

but what is their agenda?

[Johnno]

It seems you misunderstand my motives.

That's why I so adamantly argued in the "proof there is no god" thread. I too believe in things outside of our normal explanations of logic and science.


But these particiular ideas are nothing more than a bunch of internet conspiracies interwoven to support one another all basically sharing the same agenda.
I did not obtain any of my information from the Internet.

They would barely see the light of day if it weren't for the internet and hundreds or thousands of new "blank slate" minds that come onboard everyday. In that fertile petri dish the crap breeds and spreads like a disease.

15 or more years ago (pre-WWW) if some one were to walk up to you in your neighborhood with this crap, you'd have them committed.

My biggest "alarm" that goes off when I see this sort of thing isn't the fact so much that it's so hard to believe. The cycnical side of me asks however, what's in it for them? Why do they want me to subscribe to such beliefs? It's not that they're trying to be informative or enlightening (something I have NO problem with). It all comes back to their agenda.
I don't have an agenda, I'm just stating the facts, It is up to you to choose whether to believe them of not

[TravTech]

It links back to the catholic church


You need to study more. All of these conspiracies involve, the church, the Rosicrucians, the New world order, the Knights Templar, Illuminati, Skull and bones, the Martinists, the freemasons, and many others I can't recall at the moment.

Heck even wiki links the illuminati to the lizards


See also
Arizona Wilder
Conspiracy theory
Council on Foreign Relations
Dan Brown
David Icke - maintains that the world is ruled by a secret group called "The Elite", or "Illuminati"
Discordian works
Freemasonry
Gnosticism
Illuminati in popular culture
John Todd (evangelist) - considered by some to be the original source of modern Illuminati paranoia
Jordan Maxwell
New World Order
Robert Anton Wilson
Secret Society
Michael Tsarion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

Arizona Wilder and David Icke on that list, are the 2 biggest proponents of the space lizards.

[TravTech]

but what is their agenda?

I'm not 100% sure, but if I had to guess I'd say anarchy.


They all come back to the "fact" that our world is not what it seems, our government can't be trusted and that they're all just puppets for these "Elite few" that secretly rule the world. In some circles it's the secret society that rules, in others it's the lizards.


Believe it or not, I don't just ignorantly dismiss all this stuff as many of you like to portray. I have read up quite a bit on this stuff. I found it very entertaining if not intriguing.

However, if you look into it enough to see what lengths and how far out they go, you'd see that in order to support the more innocent seeming stuff, you'd really have to also support a lot of stuff that just doesn't add up.

[Johnno]

You need to study more. All of these conspiracies involve, the church, the Rosicrucians, the New world order, the Knights Templar, Illuminati, Skull and bones, the Martinists, the freemasons, and many others I can't recall at the moment.

Heck even wiki links the illuminati to the lizards
As I said before, I get my information from Inside secret societies, that is the only reason I believe it, The people within those secret societies do not believe in the lizards, therefore neither do I



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

Arizona Wilder and David Icke on that list, are the 2 biggest proponents of the space lizards.
Would you get over the space lizards?? I have said a number of times that I do not believe In them

[Johnno]

However, if you look into it enough to see what lengths and how far out they go, you'd see that in order to support the more innocent seeming stuff, you'd really have to also support a lot of stuff that just doesn't add up.
I don't support much of the conspiracy theories out there, I believe the ones I know to be true.

[TravTech]

Well if you read up enough, you'll find that they're all so heavily intertwined that it would be pretty hard to support some of it without supporting just about all of it.

And as far as this whole "secret source" thing goes, been there argued that crap too. Are you also like a deep undercover special forces operative too?


The thing is this, if you're going to find some proponent that supports your conspiracy or beliefs, you'd have to subscribe to them 100% in order for them to be considered credible. As you'll find though, many of these proponents of the parts you believe, also support things you don't.

[Johnno]

I believe the secret societies are involved I:
The assassination of several presidents
the sinking of the titanic
The world wars
The Oklahoma city bombing
9/11

[TravTech]

Well you're going to have to do better than "secret sources" if you want to go any further with this discussion. Either post some supporting evidence or go home.

I've got secret sources too. They say that my Unicorn ranch is just about finished out in the pleiades.

[Johnno]

I don't have secret resources, I go On what I'm told From someone within the societies. If you want to find out what is going on in these societies you have to find someone within the societies willing to tell you what goes on, relying on theries people post on the internet is stupid IMO.

[crooked]

ok Trav, your main argument against these conspiracy theories seems to be that the people who propegate them somehow have an agenda. but you dont know what that agenda is and best guess is anarchy?

sorry, but that just doesnt wash with me. i think you are a shape shifting alien (or possibly some sort of advanced program created by them) and that you are only here to throw us off the trail whenever we get close to the truth.

that or you just like to argue with anything anyone ever says because you are bored.

[TravTech]

I don't have secret resources, I go On what I'm told From someone within the societies. If you want to find out what is going on in these societies you have to find someone within the societies willing to tell you what goes on, relying on theries people post on the internet is stupid IMO.


You mean like these theories YOU'RE posting? Supposedly from this intangible resource of yours (AKA Secret Source!)?


LOL!!!

[TravTech]

ok Trav, your main argument against these conspiracy theories seems to be that the people who propegate them somehow have an agenda. but you dont know what that agenda is and best guess is anarchy?

sorry, but that just doesnt wash with me. i think you are a shape shifting alien (or possibly some sort of advanced program created by them) and that you are only here to throw us off the trail whenever we get close to the truth.

that or you just like to argue with anything anyone ever says because you are bored.


See my paragraph below my anarchy statement. How would you best describe that "agenda"? It is the common thread to all of these conspiracies, maybe i just don't know how to sum it up properly.

Also believe it or not, it's not the 1st time I (or others arguing against) have been accused of being a "smoke screen" to help keep the masses ignorant to what's going on around them.

I know (think) you're kidding, but it has actually come up seriously in prior arguments on this topic on other boards.

If you doubt my conviction to my position, just check out that wiki link and some of the off page links. I don't think it'll be long before you're standing right beside me.

[crooked]

must be the second option then - you just like arguing/debating.


(and no, i dont think you are a tool of 'the man')

[TravTech]

You may have missed my edits of the prior post.

No, I'm firm on my position. Not just arguing for arguments sake. It's not just the agenda but some of the highly unbelievable shit you'd have to swallow in order to fully support this stuff.

EDIT: You are right though I do love to argue / debate. Especially on subjects I'm knowledgable on. As I said, many of you just assumed I was arrogantly or ignorantly dismissing this guy. But in reality I've read upon this subject in great length.


But now it's bed time. 4 AM comes mighty early.

[crooked]

i dont agree that you have to believe it all to believe any of it. for example: you dont have to believe in the illuminati or the lizards to believe that the world is controlled by a select few people. in fact, that is just common sense.

[Johnno]

You may have missed my edits of the prior post.

No, I'm firm on my position. Not just arguing for arguments sake. It's not just the agenda but some of the highly unbelievable shit you'd have to swallow in order to fully support this stuff.
can you tell me what this "highly unbelievable shit" is???

[TravTech]

See above edit. :P

[Mr.Badguy]

Osama is living above the kebab shop in my town, no joke.

[TravTech]

i dont agree that you have to believe it all to believe any of it. for example: you dont have to believe in the illuminati or the lizards to believe that the world is controlled by a select few people. in fact, that is just common sense.


Let's weigh the sources.

On one hand we have Mr. 16 year old with a secret source who wants to believe just enough to not sound like a crackpot. A secret source conveniently requires no defense or proof and cannot be impeached or impugned.

On the other hand, we have the "experts". Though they are internet sources now, they haven't always been. The internet is just merely the vessel by which this stuff is disseminated now and has proven to be quite effective.

Try to put aside the outlandish nature of their theories, and look at so called "credibility".

We have again the secret source which is self explanatory and pretty much comes down to "I don't have to explain myself".

While these "experts" on the matter have been pushing this stuff for many years. Doing research, writing books, and even conducting syposiums and the like long before this stuff gained it's wide(er)spread popularity on the internet.

Based on the above, I'd have to go with the experts.

But it's these same experts, that bring it all together all the way up to and including the space lizards. And even the ones who don't, their versions can be linked.

I haven't tried it to exhaustion, but for the cases I did, the theories were easiliy and obviously linked. They just have so many basic similarities and common scenarios, and threads, it's all just a matter of at what point you want to declare the proponent, source, or "expert" of the parts you (want to) believe, a crackpot.


To be honest, I was even willing to consider the alien seeding and controlling of our planet part. It's when I started reading in depth about it that I thought it all was just too much to swallow. Especially after reading this:

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/pindar.htm

It's really pretty neat and I can see how many people are sucked in. It's like it's been pre-packaged for consumption. It's like a cross between the Matrix and the bible.

You've got us sheep totally ablivious to the real world around us and how we are controlled used, manipulated, and kept blind from the "facts" like the Matrix

But you've also got the eons ago interbreeding like early man and the angels, and the sacred bloodlines and stuff from the DaVinci code type of beliefs.

[Johnno]

Let's weigh the sources.

On one hand we have Mr. 16 year old with a secret source who wants to believe just enough to not sound like a crackpot. A secret source conveniently requires no defense or proof and cannot be impeached or impugned.

On the other hand, we have the "experts". Though they are internet sources now, they haven't always been. The internet is just merely the vessel by which this stuff is disseminated now and has proven to be quite effective.

Try to put aside the outlandish nature of their theories, and look at so called "credibility".

We have again the secret source which is self explanatory and pretty much comes down to "I don't have to explain myself".

While these "experts" on the matter have been pushing this stuff for many years. Doing research, writing books, and even conducting syposiums and the like long before this stuff gained it's wide(er)spread popularity on the internet.

Based on the above, I'd have to go with the experts.

But it's these same experts, that bring it all together all the way up to and including the space lizards. And even the ones who don't, their versions can be linked.

I haven't tried it to exhaustion, but for the cases I did, the theories were easiliy and obviously linked. They just have so many basic similarities and common scenarios, and threads, it's all just a matter of at what point you want to declare the proponent, source, or "expert" of the parts you (want to) believe, a crackpot.


To be honest, I was even willing to consider the alien seeding and controlling of our planet part. It's when I started reading in depth about it that I thought it all was just too much to swallow. Especially after reading this:

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/pindar.htm

It's really pretty neat and I can see how many people are sucked in. It's like it's been pre-packaged for consumption. It's like a cross between the Matrix and the bible.

You've got us sheep totally ablivious to the real world around us and how we are controlled used, manipulated, and kept blind from the "facts" like the Matrix

But you've also got the eons ago interbreeding like early man and the angels, and the sacred bloodlines and stuff from the DaVinci code type of beliefs.
I Don't realy have time to put the information together at the moment, but If you want me to I'll do it when I get time, but I know It will be a wast of time because you can't access the information and and therefore you cannot verify it anyway.

[TravTech]

D00d, forget it. I don't know if you just joined the internet last week or what. But secret unverifiable sources just don't cut it when it comes to internet debate. No one including me, is going to take you the slightest bit seriously with that kind of bullshit.

I hope you haven't deluded yourself into thinking you have even the tiniest bit of credibility with your shit, based on the activity in this thread.

I've basically been ignoring you and will continue to do so until you do have a source. My posts and level of activity in this thread was / is purely for the others who've participated in discussing this topic / questioned my motives.


I'm really George W Bush, but I can't prove it to you without jeopardizing national security. And my secret unverifiable sources say that I will become a god tomorrow. I've slept with Jessica Alba many times, but if I post pics, she'll sue me. On my last rock tour I made eleventy billion dollars. But if I prove it here the IRS will take most of it.

Are you starting to catch on yet? :rolleyes:

[Johnno]

Yea, I saw your point earlier, I can't 'prove' anything to you becouse you can't acces the books. I did not start out trying to prove my point, I made the original comments to make people think outside the squere, If you know what I mean. I probably shuld not have come back to this topic after your post becouse I have always kown It was Hard for me to lmost impossible to get hold of the books that prove what I am saying.

Therefore can we end this argument, because The lack of public access to the books would mean that the argument will go nowhere.

[TravTech]

I knew that form post 1 regarding the "secret societies". But as I said, I was somewhat defending my position since I was being accused of dismissing it out od arrogance or ignorance.


But these books, if they're anything by the *cough* "reputable" sources, I'm sure you can find at least excerpts if not full chapters online.

But you've painted youself into a corner, and it this point no proof is better than being proven wrong.

[Johnno]

I knew that form post 1 regarding the "secret societies". But as I said, I was somewhat defending my position since I was being accused of dismissing it out od arrogance or ignorance.
this post
LOL

Another one that thinks Clinton is / was in cahoots with Bush.


I suppose you believe in shapeshifting space lizards too?
actually looks like Its from someone who has dealt with the subject before



But these books, if they're anything by the *cough* "reputable" sources, I'm sure you can find at least excerpts if not full chapters online.
the books are only available to the lucky few at the top of these societies, I just happen to know the son of one of these lucky few.


But you've painted youself into a corner, and it this point no proof is better than being proven wrong.
It does appear that I have painted myself in a corner, I should never get involved In a debate Unless other people can access All to resources that I wish to use :o I realized that After I started arguing, and I'm not one who normally backs down, But I should have much earlier

[TravTech]

As a fun excersise, why don't you check out that pindar link I posted a couple posts back.

I don't expect you to read it all, it's quite a bit of stuff. But skim through, stop on and read the parts that catch your eye, then note how many similarities there are between what's there and what you already "know".

[Johnno]

As a fun excersise, why don't you check out that pindar link I posted a couple posts back.

I don't expect you to read it all, it's quite a bit of stuff. But skim through, stop on and read the parts that catch your eye, then note how many similarities there are between what's there and what you already "know".
I'll read It through later, I haven't seen most of it before.

[Hacky]

I believe in, maybe, the Knights Templar. As in, I think they are possible. But to me that is less a "World Wide Domination" thing as it is a protection of the Bloodline of Christ as is claimed to not exist. But that's a whole different story, I have no evidence to the existance, therefore I will never state them to be factual.

But... The Titanic?

I can understand a conspiracy belief behind JFK... there's all sorts of crazy shit around him and his death.

But The Titanic? What in the fuck?

Seriously, you are backing yourself with the fact that you know one of the leaders of <Secret Socity>'s son. Ever consider the fact that maybe the kid's dad is just insane? I'm not saying it is impossible, but I could easily raise a child to believe I am the leader of a secret society to dominate the world and have him honestly believe this by creating said "books" and linking all the evidence together much like these internet websites have.

This is not me calling you a moron, but haven't you yourself ever questioned this?

I read through some of that Pindar thing... it made me laugh, so hard.

[Schmoky]

We're all dumb for not questioning what we are told...





Except Johnno, who blindly accepts this bullshit from his 'friends father'.


Also: do you have a digital camera, or something like that? I'm an asshole, and I want to see these books.

[TravTech]

My dad must've been a little off too.

I have no idea why or what he had to gain, but it turns out just about everything he told us when we where growing up about where he was born and raised was a lie.

We only found out that and some other parts of his background were bullshit, after he died.

Needless to say, I now question everything.

It can be good and bad. It's most often good, like not taking anything for face value. But it can effect interpersonal things in life and work. For example I constantly question people's motives.

It helps a lot in life when I do it mentally, but when it comes up when discussing others, I can get some odd looks regrdless of the fact that I'm often right in doing so.

[h4Rp3R980]

Osama is living above the kebab shop in my town, no joke.

LOL

[TravTech]

WTF?!?!?! HE SAID NO JOKE!!!


Now you take that back right this minute young man!!!

[Napalm]

My dad IS Osama Bin Laden. It's true. One day I saw him cutting his beard.

[Destagow]

As for Pindar, Icke translates the name as meaning Penis of the dragon and states that the (Pindar) is also known as the Marquis of Libeaux. At the time he was writing the book, Icke had little else to say about this particular reptilian other than stating that he is above the Windsors in the Brotherhood heirarchy.

You see? Proves their points.

Edit: I knew McyD's was evil. As well as Disney!

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/mcdonald.htm
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/disney.htm

[TravTech]

Oh God NO!!! Not Al Bundy!!!

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/bundy.htm


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/R0G3R/R0G3R_qz/w2p_sig.jpg




:D

[EmeraldFalcon89]

Not serious anymore?

[TravTech]

The act of snoozing tends to greatly lend itself toward the outcome of losing. :P