What do you honestly think?

[Eaglebird]

After seeing Inactive Cargo's thread on Homosexuality (http://www.1337.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7706), and reading through it a bit, I wanted to ask a question.

I read through the thread and took your guys' responses into consideration. I didn't want to revive the topic in that thread because I feel it'd derail the topic of something about invertabrae. You all had your own opinion, I can say that much. So, what do you guys think?

Also wait 4 poll, it'll make things a bit easier.

[Destagow]

All the gays that I have meet over time have been through some child abuse when they were younger. As a friend or enemy stance on them I am somewhat neutral. I don't seem their ways as right but I would not harass them directly about it.

[crooked]

i see it as a harmless condition. not quite a disease.

[semiavrage]

Nah, it has been shown to be a random genetic mutation, there are gay animals.

I have a friend who is gay (you would have no idea unless he told you... but that's not the point.) It's not that he was abused or anything, its just...

Well... how he is.

[Denial]

Nah, it has been shown to be a random genetic mutation, there are gay animals.

What's the connection here?

[Napalm]

I see it as a choice and nothing else. If people (that I know specifically) can decide they're not gay and get married and have a healthy marriage (8years strong with two kids) then it's a choice. Not a genetic mutation.

However, that doesn't make homosexuality bad, nor a problem. But it's not normal. Normal is man +woman = baby, not man+man=adopt chinese baby or woman+woman=adopt chinese baby.

And lastly, it doesn't bother me.

my three poll choices.

[Ezbakeovendeath]

Napalm knows alot about being gay...

[Napalm]

And what if I am? You want to do something about it?

[Ezbakeovendeath]

Yeah....wanna go out sometime?.....LOL

[Bylin]

What's the connection here?

Animals act purely on instinct.

[Napalm]

Yeah....wanna go out sometime?.....LOL
Sorry, I don't do ugly.

[Eaglebird]

Nah, it has been shown to be a random genetic mutation, there are gay animals.

I have a friend who is gay (you would have no idea unless he told you... but that's not the point.) It's not that he was abused or anything, its just...

Well... how he is.

Animals have feelings too. Just because animals sometimes happen to be gay, doesn't make it a genetic malfunction. The animal cases are rare, at that. What would make humans so susceptible to this 'malfunction', esp. healthy ones?


I see it as a choice and nothing else. If people (that I know specifically) can decide they're not gay and get married and have a healthy marriage (8years strong with two kids) then it's a choice. Not a genetic mutation.



However, that doesn't make homosexuality bad, nor a problem. But it's not normal. Normal is man +woman = baby, not man+man=adopt chinese baby or woman+woman=adopt chinese baby.



And lastly, it doesn't bother me.



my three poll choices.

That's pretty much how I feel. It's not normal, but it's not bad either. If the relationship between two men is loving, sincere, and honest, then what's wrong with it?

[crooked]

its like most things really. its none of anyone elses buisness.

i happen to find it disgusting, but i also find a lot of other things like smoking and mayonaise disgusting. as long as it doesnt affect me, IDGAF what someone does.

[Denial]

Animals act purely on instinct.

Animals can learn can't they?

For example, they could be conditioned by their environment to perhaps fear members of the opposite sex, yet still feel the need to engage in sexual acts with a member of their species.

[The muffin man]

See: animal homosexuality



We had a presentation on this is biology a week ago. It's been shown that many primates (see: bonobos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo ) use sexual interactions (regardless of sex) to have evolved in a similar manner to altruisms in population and social animals in order to stregnthen the bonds between members of the community.

[Eaglebird]

See: animal homosexuality



We had a presentation on this is biology a week ago. It's been shown that many primates (see: bonobos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo ) use sexual interactions (regardless of sex) to have evolved in a similar manner to altruisms in population and social animals in order to stregnthen the bonds between members of the community.

Some people commit incest, and on a basic level, just for the sake of stronger bonds between them. That doesn't make it genetic. It just makes it something that develops because of their environment.

[runestone]

its like most things really. its none of anyone elses buisness.

It IS everyone else's business when we have man-hating lesbians trying to get "mum "and "dad" taken out of the dictionary and forcing child care centres to read books containing same-sex parents to toddlers.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gay-books-at-daycare-inappropriate/2006/05/29/1148754909758.html

[Eaglebird]

It IS everyone else's business when we have man-hating lesbians trying to get "mum "and "dad" taken out of the dictionary and forcing child care centres to read books containing same-sex parents to toddlers.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gay-books-at-daycare-inappropriate/2006/05/29/1148754909758.html

That goes more along the lines of free speech and the problem with what's taught in schools than really anything homosexual. Replace 'gay' with 'christian fundamentals blown out of proportion' and you'd have just the same problem.

It's all a matter of what this parent wants and what that parents wants, and where to compromise in between. It's a problem essentialy inherent with growing up and learning. We, as children, rely on people bigger than us to teach us. Whatever they deem 'correct' they can teach us, and because we haven't learned anything contrary, that's what we end up believing. It's pretty much the sole reason teens go through the self exploration and discovery phase.

[runestone]

I'm sure kiddy fuckers would like to be in kindergartens too. Should we "compromise" by just letting them work there for one day a week?

[Eaglebird]

I'm sure kiddy fuckers would like to be in kindergartens too. Should we "compromise" by just letting them work there for one day a week?

I never said anything about 'letting them in' or endorsing what they were trying to do. All I said was that this isn't necessarily the issue about gays, it's an issue about free speech and what we teach our children. :doh:

Some people think differently than others. The majority of people is what decides what's 'normal'.

[runestone]

Less than half of one percent of the population in Australia lives in a same-sex relationship with a child.

I'd hardly call that "normal" and therefore children should not be brainwashed with the crap.

[Napalm]

In my professional opionion, most gays are attention whores.

[dEUS]

Homosexuality is in no way "Not Natural". In fact, homosexuality is quite common in this world, from homosexual monkeys to homosexual pinguins. If you'd call Homosexuality innatural, than I hope you don't have Blonde hair. Because Blond hair occurs less than let us say brown hair. So therefore, blonde hair is not natural!

Oh and, there is something called the 'Homo gen'. Which has influence on whether you're homosexual or not. You inherit it.

[Destagow]

Homosexuality is in no way "Not Natural". In fact, homosexuality is quite common in this world, from homosexual monkeys to homosexual pinguins. If you'd call Homosexuality innatural, than I hope you don't have Blonde hair. Because Blond hair occurs less than let us say brown hair. So therefore, blonde hair is not natural!

Oh and, there is something called the 'Homo gen'. Which has influence on whether you're homosexual or not. You inherit it.

What the hell is a homo gen?

I did not see how intelligent this site is, but the first link when serching up "Homosexual Gene" using google.

www.fathersforlife.org/gay_gene.htm

[dEUS]

Then they teach me wrong things in College.
Also, you've gotten that article from a site that writes things like this:
http://www.fathersforlife.org/Table_contents_gj.htm#Gay_Issues

[Eaglebird]

I really think homosexuality is a choice. It may be affected by genes you possess, I could probably give a few examples, but there can't be one or two genes that by themself determine whether you're gay or not. Even so, think about it. If there were, it couldn't exist. Gay guys and girls don't have babies. :thumup:

[The muffin man]

Some people commit incest, and on a basic level, just for the sake of stronger bonds between them. That doesn't make it genetic. It just makes it something that develops because of their environment.

Mannerisms (excuse the pun) are always genetic. Saying something develops from the environment in a population is just saying that the environment selects for individuals who develop that behavoir. This way, the behavoir is passed on to those around that individual.

This type of evolution is difficult to track from a strictly allelic standpoint; most genetic matrixes for behavoirs contain multiple tiers of allelisms.

This is important because it bridges the gap between 'nature' and 'nurture'.

[TravTech]

Less than half of one percent of the population in Australia lives in a same-sex relationship with a child.

I'd hardly call that "normal" and therefore children should not be brainwashed with the crap.


Holy Crap. Rune and I actually agree on something. The attempt to make this behavior appear "normal" and force feeding it to kids is just wrong.

[naomiReturns]

I believe nearly everyone is a bit bisexual. guys don't like to admit it, obviously, even to themselves, because of the social stigma. But absolute homosexuality is unusual, as is absolute heterosexuality. There is natural room to be attracted to the same sex, even while leaning toward the opposite heavily.

[Napalm]

Well your beliefs are wrong. Haha!
Napalm has no feelings (both sexual and emotional) for any man or woman. I fuck the shit out of bears.

[Phlintlock]

Napalm fuc bears not get fuc or become the bear.

Also, wanna know what I honestly think? Homophobia is gay.

[Eaglebird]

Napalm fuc bears not get fuc or become the bear.

Also, wanna know what I honestly think? Homophobia is gay.

You can't really be a homophobe, can you?
Because you don't know someone's gay unless they tell you or you found out previously. I guess you could have a fear of the queen stereotype though..

[crooked]

Napalm fuc bears not get fuc or become the bear.

Also, wanna know what I honestly think? Homophobia is gay.


wanna know what i honestly think?

you got ninja'd by Anal Cunt

[naomiReturns]

I love Anal Cunt. ^_^

[dEUS]

I really think homosexuality is a choice. It may be affected by genes you possess, I could probably give a few examples, but there can't be one or two genes that by themself determine whether you're gay or not. Even so, think about it. If there were, it couldn't exist. Gay guys and girls don't have babies. :thumup:


Ah, so homosexuals never had sex with the opposite sex? Interesting...

[Eaglebird]

Ah, so homosexuals never had sex with the opposite sex? Interesting...

Well, on an insignificant point, that's bisexuality. ;)

Either way, I still don't think it's gene related. Maybe in an indirect way, but mind development isn't strictly set to genes, nor is it just growing up. I think, however, that growing up has more impact on what we consider sexually than do genes.

[The muffin man]

Either way, I still don't think it's gene related. Maybe in an indirect way, but mind development isn't strictly set to genes, nor is it just growing up. I think, however, that growing up has more impact on what we consider sexually than do genes.

Of course it's genetic. Haven't you ever wondered how altruisms evolve? The genes are borne into a family, not all of which express the gene. That way, the gene is passed on and saturates the population. In the example of homosexuality, the gene was selected for when groups with the stronger bonds between them survived to reproduce heterosexually. (They were never fully homosexual.) So the gene may be there, but upbringing is needed to take a hand (excuse the pun) in activating the behavoir so that the person is fully homosexual (which is, by the way, extremely rare.)

[crooked]

yeah, what muff said :thumup:

[Eaglebird]

Good job on that post deletion mods.. :thumup:

[DigitalTyranny]

Interesting jump here, sort of a randomization thread changing....


I clicked on "weed" and ended up in a war with words about something completely off topic. I think its almost a topic that shouldn't be discussed with such a flare of differences....its almost savage.


Everyone should just simply chill, disagree yes, but still chill.....

[IsHatMePanTs]

Of course you could get gay people who don't want to admit it for most of their lives, convince themselves that they're straight, get married and end up with kids. Like that creepy guy in Hostel!

[Denial]

Of course it's genetic. Haven't you ever wondered how altruisms evolve? The genes are borne into a family, not all of which express the gene. That way, the gene is passed on and saturates the population. In the example of homosexuality, the gene was selected for when groups with the stronger bonds between them survived to reproduce heterosexually. (They were never fully homosexual.) So the gene may be there, but upbringing is needed to take a hand (excuse the pun) in activating the behavoir so that the person is fully homosexual (which is, by the way, extremely rare.)

This really doesn't say much to support that it is even present in one of those genes.

[Mr.Badguy]

I'm all for gay rights! If they want the poo chute that's their choice.

[Napalm]

Think about it this way, more fags = more available women.

[The muffin man]

This really doesn't say much to support that it is even present in one of those genes.

Behavioral traits are almost always genetic. It just takes stimuli to bring them to effect. Doesn't your mom or dad ever say you do things just like your uncle/grandfather/etc? Mine say I act just like my grandfather who lived in Utica where I saw him only about one every couple years and only for a few days of a couple weeks until he died when I was 7. (now that's a sentence :P) I couldn't of possibly been influenced directly enough to invoke these traits.

We are 75% genes and 25% environment.


ps. Napalm has the right idea. :thumup:

[Bollucks]

It doesn't bother me. I have some friends who are gay (as do many people). I think people who are homophobic are either insecure or stupid.

[PieMaster]

I love how everyone hates me, but there are a dozen people who voted for option 2 (all of whom are fucktards to the extreme) and two people who voted for option 6 (just plain nazis)

[dylan]

Absolutely for gay rights, although don't get the wrong idea at all (I don't roll that way.)
It should not be banned because of what the bible says.
The bible should be banned for what a load of shit it is.

[the.doctor]

i hate gays.
watching two guys making out on church st. (gay area in toronto) makes my stomach churn... i just dont like it

but im also all for gay rights, im confident that it isnt a choice... theyre still people, so what right do i have to say they cant marry or adopt kids or whatever the hell they want

just quit making out in front of me - i dont even find it very stimulating when a straight couple are fooling around when im right in front of them

[dylan]

Seconded on the latter of the post. I don't like any couple getting intamate in the middle of the street. Unless they are both chicks and really, really hot.

[irishspud]

rofl^ make that a third

[dylan]

Espically if they are old.
Ewwwww.

http://www.southafricamigration.com/images/Old-Couple.jpg

[the.doctor]

instead of saying EWWW, say MMMMM

support soylent green!

[Phinius Gage]

Thats just wrong

[irishspud]

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dylan]

SOYLENT GREEN PEOPLE FTL.

[fuxx0redw4r3z]

I don't have anything against homosexuality and I consider it as harmless. I have a lot of homosexual friends and i find them very cool. In my opinion homosexuality is their life choice, and they are happy with it, and we shouldnt be judgemental against theur decisions.

[KillHour]

Wow, that is quite a well put together poll. Gives almost every option you could put. I, for one, believe that homosexuality is a choice, but often make the argument that if it was genetic, it would be a disorder, since it negatively impacts the ability to reproduce - an important part in determining whether a mutation is helpful or not.

[s33r]

But homosexuality shows up more in societies - like wolf packs - where they have too large a population. Wolves will bond in homosexual relationships and help to raise cubs that would otherwise be neglected. So it does help the survival of the species, which precedes the survival of individual genetic information. Humans are definitely far overpopulated, which might help to explain why homosexuality is more prevalent in successful societies. It's nature's natural reaction to large population concentration.

[Spectersoul]

I believe that homosexuality is a choice, but a choice that is heavily influenced by your genetics as well as your socialization process. Reguardless of what the reason is for being a homosexual, I believe STONGLY that any one person that decides he or she is in love with another individual should have every right to be with that person. It is because of this reason that I believe that homosexuals should have the same privledges that any straight couple in love would have, most importantly marriage.

However... I do not think that anyone should ever present homosexuality as an option. If someone is going to be gay then they need to figure it out on their own.

[bladeworship]

This statement is not going to make me many friends, if any. I fully support gay rights because well... I am. I do believe it is a mixture of genetics and upbringing. Hell, I would love to be a father one day, but that is a far shot off and hopefully by that time gays will not have as many problems with adoptions.

[KillHour]

Don't worry... You'll be a huge hit with Avarik ;)

[Spectersoul]

Hmm, gonna haft to say... SLAYER

[Wolverineh8ter]

I believe that is has to do with many different things
Such as:

Influences you've had growing up
People you meet
Events that have occured
Things that have happend to you (Molestation leads to sexual addiction and homo/bisexuality)

[FoxWolf]

It IS everyone else's business when we have man-hating lesbians trying to get "mum "and "dad" taken out of the dictionary and forcing child care centres to read books containing same-sex parents to toddlers.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gay-books-at-daycare-inappropriate/2006/05/29/1148754909758.html

Everybody deserves THE SAME rights, not MORE rights. This is becoming a disease in America (other countries too, I just live in America), IE the organization known as PETA. They of course don't see it that way, but some of us just have to always be right, don't we?
Everyone who disagrees can stfo :P

[want2befree13]

here is my thoughts on homosexuality. honestly i think that homosexuality is different to some people . i think that for some people they are born with it. for others however they just choose to be homosexual. I guess that for some people it affects them differently just like if you get a cold. so people get a fever and some cough allot and well some people do both. i think that is just a way of life and we are just going to have to deal with it.

[Slevin57]

Most of our traits are based upon genetics. That's a proven scientific fact. I can't really argue that, but it would seem like to me being straight/gay is not that far apart as far as emotion goes, so environment could be the lynch pin of it all.

There haven't been that many studies done, because its so highly debated. The one or two good studies that have been done always get overshadowed by something else.

Your sexual orientation is linked to your genes. It's only logical to assume that if genes make you straight, then genes can make you gay.

[nick]

Theres nothing wrong with being gay.

I dont even understand how people can find it wrong.

Its the same as you liking chocolate and someone else liking vanilla.

Who cares?